Fury / Wilder round 12

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fury / Wilder round 12

    I have read various posts since their fight with all kinds of comments, mainly about the final round knockdown.
    I dont envy the job of the ref, as I think they are in a terrible situation where they can get it wrong.
    Im sure many Refs may just have waved the fight off but the Ref did a count, and Fury got up on solid legs, took another full swinging shot then put his arms behind his back and came back strong.
    Watch it with the count down clock in the corner. The count of 1 would be at 2:24. When Fury gets completely up it is 2:15 which is 9 seconds.
    The ref was not slow in his count as it matches up with the clock
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    I have shown some other HW fights below where you could possibly draw some similarities to the KDs.




    Lewis vs Briggs
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    look at Holyfield/Bowe 3. You could argue that Holyfield took a similar time to get up and then asked how he felt and then asked to walk forward.
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    If you look at the Joshua/W Klitschko fight, Wladimir had suffered a 5th round KD, and in the 11th round was knocked down again. After he got up, he was knocked down again (3rd KD) and the ref after his count and then checked to see if he felt Wladimir was OK to continue
    If you go to 1:03 it is the 3rd KD
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    Now IMO Fury/Wilder wasnt as back and forth as the others shown and the others werent in the 12th and final round.
    I felt Fury was winning the majority of the fight and except for a 9th round KD from a shot that I thought looked to the back of the head.
    In all the other HW fights shown, I think you could argue that Fury was winning more convincingly than the other fights shown above where a KD occurred yet all were let to continue.
    So I think based on what we saw the ref was right to allow Fury to continue.


    BTW
    I do understand others points of view that Fury possibly wasnt prime and lpossibly still carrying extra weight and may have felt it right to stop it when he hadnt been scheduled to fight a 12 round fight for so many years and having been away from competitive action for so long
     
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  2. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I honestly think the people squawking about the timing of the count are salty. The bottom line is "the count was fine". Particularly in the scheme of things when so much in boxing seems corrupt in meaningful ways. It isn't WWE with a script - it's frenetic action, blink-and-you-miss-it, the ref did well and the count was, well, fine.

    The people who seem all outraged over it should probably just move along. It was what it was - a boxer who outboxed a slugger, save for a the knockdowns which very nearly indeed took Fury out. The fight was always about a non-punching, skilled boxer trying to outrun a limited freak-powered windmill for 36 minutes. It proved to be exactly that. Both men did well.
     
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  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    We've already destroyed Jack Fury's credibility.

    Fury is fully upright at exactly 10 seconds before he is then allowed to walk around the ring.

    We have the video evidence of Jack has previously waving fights off when the fight has stood up at 10 seconds.

    No more guesswork, no more speculation and no more I think it was fair or unfair. The facts reveal Jack deviated away from how he normally counts and waves fights out.

    We have never ever heard Mr Reiss verbally stretch out the number nine in any of his fights.

    Never have we heard him count as if he was related to Forrest Gump before either.
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Fury did very well considering he was years removed from fighting a world title fight, had had far less fights and world title fights than Wilder and was having his first scheduled 12 round fight in years and many were saying before that they felt he wasnt the same fighter from 2015, which he may not have been.
    I cant see what the issue with the count was because he was up in time
     
  5. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yep, agreed. Even if it was a second over, this stuff happens a lot. It's part and parcel of being involved with a non-scripted sporting event with a real, live human referee. As it happens the count seems fine anyway.
     
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  6. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You seem particularly bent out of shape about it Sephiroth. Why?
     
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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who is we've? How?

    Fully up right at 9. Watch the clock on the screen and the count. It was number 1 at 2:24 and he was up at 9 on 2:15 which tied in with the refs count

    Were those other fights, fights where the fighter knocked down hadnt taken much punishment, looked to be winning and in the 12th round of a world title fight?

    His count matches the time of the count down clock on the screen

    Dont take my word for it. Watch the video
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was thinking the same thing
     
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  9. Camaris

    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, it's a pretty small point of order really. Quite often counts are long and people are given extra seconds as the ref checks gloves and asks 'you ok?'. It's so routine that anyone squawking about it like an outraged spinster aunt is just a bit odd imo. Fury did great. Wilder nearly KO'd him. Roll on the rematch.
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I gave some other HW fights with KDs for people to look at
     
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  11. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    10 count not 10 seconds
     
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  12. ellerbe

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    He gets up on time. The count was fine.
     
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  13. hpsauce91

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    I saw nothing wrong with the count and the referee checking fury afterwards it was all pretty much standard stuff.

    The reason the whole knockdown is being viewed in this way is because fury looked to be out cold. I personally don't think he was
     
  14. granth

    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dont encourage them. Yesterday they posted a doctored video of the knockdown.
     
  15. Manfred

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    Fury was knocked out but he still beat the count. That is a new question to be asked and answered in boxing. What if he had of knocked him out like that earlier and that was the second time. How many times call for a stoppage. What type of damage can be done by letting a fighter continue after being knocked out, no matter if he gets up in time. Maybe the fact that he was knocked out should be reason to end the fight. I don't know. Is there a three knockout rule? Plus the fact that he wasn't merely knocked down but out should the fighter that did it get more than one point? Again I don't know but it is a topic for conversation.