Fury will not acknowledge his defeats

Well when guys like Hrgovic and Jared Anderson lose their first fight to top opponents theres countless people saying they should retire and "their heart isn't in it, they don't really care about boxing". Theres your mania right there. We punish fighters too much for losses.

Except Chisora. Chisora can lose as many times as he wants. Chisora is a mandatory contender because fighting him is mandatory for everyone.

 

Fury wasted some years by getting busted, going off the rails...
But I suspect he got all he could out of his talent, really - the guy was always a unstable and to come through to the extent he did anyway suggests some degree of luck (not to mention that things would've looked a lot less special for him if he'd officially lost to McDermott, and that if he'd actually rematched Wlad there's a fair chance he'd have lost, etc).

Fury's a great "what if" case - I just think that goes both ways, and it's not necessarily realistic to think he could've been much more IMHO.

Joshua... Yes, probably made the most he realistically could've, too - maybe with a bit of Fury's blasé in him he'd have been able to shrug off the losses better, but he doesn't have that.


As you say, it's a crying shame they didn't fight...

 

Fans on here call fighters bums for losing, then wonder why they protect their 0

 

Didn't know there are AI judging programs regularly available now. Wonder what they'd make of Foreman/Briggs, Hagler/Leonard, and other disputed ones.

 

I assume Fury's marketing strategy differs from AJ's, so it doesn't surprise me that their public personas handle defeats differently.

 

Whether Fury acknowledges his defeats or not makes zero difference, the annals of boxing history have indelibly printed within them that he lost twice to Usyk.

Like so much crap that has been uttered by Fury over the years, it is garbage.

 

Anderson has said that he does not love the sport, and I think it is pretty obvious with Hrgovic since he has regressed since the amateurs, and even more-so since his father's death.

 

I have no idea why Tyson or his people did not stress that Tyson Fury needed to move to his left. Fundamentals. Fury did not do it enough, and he lost both fights.

 

He built up his myth about being impossible to beat without being KO'd and didn't get KO'd. He also boxed well and so he makes the narrative he won the boxing match but it wasn't interpreted that way. Yeah, he's deluded and a spoiled brat but when you make millionaires and idols out of common people like him that tends to happen.

AJ got stopped twice so he can't make too many excuses even though they implied an excuse in the first Ruiz fight and that was part of their spin on it that he 'wasn't right, but we can't talk about it because he doesn't want to make excuses' which is obviously an excuse just delivered by his handlers. Also he displayed worse sportsmanship than Fury after losing to Usyk as we all know. It's just he has a big team of PR people who smooth everything over and also manipulate what he says to secure his brand. That's why he fakes his 'sportsmanship' at times, not because it's really who he is.

 

Do you not think fury has a pr team, and is really a “man of the people”?

 

The narrative that Fury 'has himself to blame/let himself go' was precisely the kind which overshadowed the build-up to the Usyk rematch. A middle finger to the Ukrainian's brilliance. It's built off the idea that Fury, at his best, is the best. It's groundless. 'If we get the Fury from the Wilder rematch' was a totally non-applicable what if. An older, past it Usyk beat him, twice. Whatever extra speed and mobility Fury may have had in a hypothetical earlier encounter would have been offset by a fresher Usyk. By a man who knows - and always does - adapt. Moreover, Fury would never look quick against a mobile, average-sized HW. His supposed strengths were turned into weaknesses because he does not possess all the compotenents that go into a complete fighter. Awkward at mid-range. Not a particualrly good puncher. More of a fiddly than a great jab. Lots of target. I suspect some of the more modests-sized HW punchers would have turned him inside out. If he owned the losses, or at least the possiblity that it could be seen that way, the good work he did do might catch some more light.

 

Humility and honesty are two of the noble virtues of man (along with courage and gratitude) and they both go a long way in revealing a man’s character and how he’s received by others. After losing the heavyweight championship to Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey famously told his wife, “Honey, I forgot to duck.”
That simple statement endeared Dempsey to the fans in a way that beating Tunney wouldn’t have.

 

AJ accepts his every loss. Wilder makes every excuse in the book about his losses. Fury flat out denies he lost.

I wonder who's fault it is that these fights never got made?

 

Fury did fight Wilder 3 times knowing he would get knocked down hard every single time. And Fury did fight Usyk.

Wilder did fight Fury 3 times. After the second fight in which he got the **** beat out of him he moved heaven and earth to make a third fight.

AJ only did fight featherfisted Usyk twice.

So I have my suspicions on who was the reason those fights didn’t happen.