Fury's comeback and the Heavyweight division

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by carlingeight, Nov 9, 2023.

  1. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 30, 2023
    Fury will have beat 3 champions and two of them undefeated.

    He's pretty much done but Joshua would be the icing on the cake.

    But as I said Parker is much more deserving of the fight.
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  2. Beale

    Beale Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 13, 2023
    Fury claimed before the Ngannou fight that he had done a 12 week camp and was in his best shape ever for a very dangerous test.

    On that basis and performance against Ngannou, if we trust what he says is true, then he is finished.
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  3. Kev2k83

    Kev2k83 Active Member Full Member

    Sep 30, 2023
    We shall see.

    At least he's looking the part.

    Did you know he predicted round one for this fight?
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  4. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member Full Member

    Oct 25, 2015
    Based on what we saw and last night and his own performance against Ngannou, it looks like his legs, power and chin have all gone.
  5. Finkel

    Finkel Well-Known Member Full Member

    Feb 10, 2020
    Klitschko v Fury was a young hungry lion defeating the old. A great performance, but It was the natural order of things. As we later saw it was a matter of Fury got to him before Joshua.

    Wilder spent his championship reign avoiding the best fighters from outside of the Americas, in a period where all the best fighters were outside of the U.S.A.
    He was basically the American champion fighting the same level of opposition we generally expect of the Euro champion. He never even attempted to unify. A "world" champion he was not.

    Usyk will be Fury's toughest fight. The Furys have long known this, so it does not surprise me they are doing all they can to delay it and in effect age Usyk out of his prime.

    As for Joshua, Fury and his name will always be linked (ever since the round table all those years back). If Fury never fights him it will leave a massive what if over his career, if he beats Usyk or not.
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  7. Ding ding ding!

    Ding ding ding! Active Member Full Member

    Jun 26, 2022
    I think he's just trying to remain respectful when he's saying that as it's quite obvious he wasn't in the best shape both physically and mentally.

    I think he just bought into the hype that it'd be a glorified sparring match and he could end it when he wants, but when he realised Ngannou came to fight he couldn't adjust well enough and get his jab going due to not preparing for that type of fight.

    I think too soon to call Fury shot and think he will show up for Usyk. He's always been a fighter which doesn't perform as well against fighters he's no respect for but raises his game for big fights when he has a point to prove.

    Only question mark is whether he can move like he used to as he's not actually fought anyone with decent feet for ages.
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  8. Bob Flaps

    Bob Flaps Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 30, 2019
    He’s said since that he never does more than 7 weeks for any fight. Fair to say there are few words from him you can trust.

    John Fury seems to be the voice of reason regarding his training.
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  9. Beale

    Beale Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 13, 2023
  10. carlingeight

    carlingeight Active Member Full Member

    May 15, 2016
    Fury's looking skinnier now than when he fought Ngannou. He'll be in better shape for Usyk that's for sure, but his body is still a completely wreck from the abuse.

    We'll never see a fraction of the agility on show vs Wlad again. It was always how he moved for such a big unit that made him a special fighter.

    Lucky for him he didn't need that agility for Wilder, Wallin or Whyte. He would do against Joshua or Usyk.
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  11. Bob Flaps

    Bob Flaps Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 30, 2019
    I think, sadly because I'm not a huge fan of him and his entourage, the stars are aligning for Joshua. Fury and Usyk might cancel each other out in terms of career endurance and that leaves the door wide open. A confident, front-foot AJ beats most other opponents out there, he'd deal with the resurgent Parker for sure.

    That probably leaves the floor clear for 2-3 years undisputed or unified if that's how the chips fall, but he never will have beaten the best at their peak, via a mixture of circumstance and ability. I don't think he'd beat peak Fury but we're well past that now and peak Usyk had his number.
  12. Beale

    Beale Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 13, 2023
    The man of the people being careful with his multi millions

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  13. kevin-novice

    kevin-novice Active Member Full Member

    Mar 19, 2016
    Please...not AJ v USK again FFS.
  14. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 29, 2018
    Effectively Fury and Wilder hyping himself up as the number 1 and 2 in the division was a farce.

    Wilder hasn't never beaten a real world level opponent. There's always been about a dozen guys in the division that could beat that he ducked to fight low level guys. Stepped against two world level guys and was found out.

    Furys best win was obviously Wlad and second best was Whyte.
  15. Beale

    Beale Boxing Addict Full Member

    Feb 13, 2023
    I assume now that Joshua beat Novice Ngannou without a single win in a Boxing Ring has turned him into a firm number one in your CV Rankings.