Fury's comeback and the Heavyweight division

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by carlingeight, Nov 9, 2023.

  1. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 29, 2018
    It's the same as it's been for a long while.

    1. Usyk
    2. AJ
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  2. BrokerNYC

    BrokerNYC Nottingham Full Member

    Feb 8, 2021
    No Mitch, Wilder was a great win. The Wilder that fought Parker wasn’t the same Wilder who had 3 wars against Fury, he didn’t even throw punches, how can any reasonable man make the assertion that it was the same Wilder?

    Look back in history and you’ll see numerous fighters that aged out of contention.
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  3. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 29, 2018
    It was the same flawed Wilder that we saw against Molina, Duhaupas, Spzilka, Washington, Ortiz and Fury that Parker.

    The same exact limitations and flaws.
  4. Bob Flaps

    Bob Flaps Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 30, 2019
    Plus 3 wars that made his age catch up with him after years of fairly easy touches. We'll never know how good peak Wilder was, because he didn't really want to find out.
  5. ash234

    ash234 Member Full Member

    Dec 17, 2023
    Can’t wait for Usyk Joshua 3 with Joshua now on his 3rd different trainer for Usyk. The first 2 weren’t conclusive enough. Just keep replaying it until Joshua wins.

    Or failing that, don’t replay it but still claim he’s the best in the world after a predicted hypothetical victory over Usyk because he’s better under a trainer who’s lead him to wins over Wallin and a MMA fighter. That’s all the proof we need.
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  6. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

    Apr 16, 2023
    For what it's worth, my take is that the Fury of the Wilder rematch is the best version of him we've seen.
    But it's been a very frustrating ride since then. It's not that Fury isnt good - I think he is. But he's never, since then, actively sought to take on the biggest names and threats in the division. That's how a champion is supposed to act. Instead He's blindsided, swerved, time wasted and messed about taking fights which did not need to happen.
    I think Fury has definitely been overrated by some fans and sections of the media, which has actually enabled his behaviour. I suspect he knows Usyk is a significant threat - and he never really wanted the fight. But it's too hard to ignore now and the pressure is really on him after AJ smoked Ngannou. I think he's really feeling the heat. I do feel Fury will turn up in as good a shape as he can for Usyk. But I feel he's left it too late now, in terms of how his body will let him perform.
    A shame really. He could and should have done more.
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  7. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

    Oct 18, 2009
    you need your eyes testing if you watched that fight and thought Wilder looked the same as he had done in bygone years.

    You can clearly see from the first bell he doesn’t have his legs underneath him.

    It looked like he had wooden legs stumbling around the ring. Zero timing whatsoever.

    The Fury beatings, inactivity and age have all caught up with him he’s completely finished.
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  8. Scissors

    Scissors Posts are sponsored by Matchroom Full Member

    Feb 11, 2018
    Wilder has never been the most active puncher. Someone posted it on here a while ago but I can’t remember the exact stats. It was something like he had lost every round in the past 5 years other than his knockdowns and knockouts and he had been out punched in nearly all of those fights.

    Against Parker - the highest level opponent he’s fought other than Fury, he was/is probably past his peak but he simply couldn’t get those big shots off. And like usual he was being outpunched and out worked. Without the knockout blow the writing was on the wall.
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  9. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior VIP Member Full Member

    Apr 19, 2010
    Wilder never really had legs under neath him
    Wilder never had the ref favour the opposition
    Wilder never took on madatories
    Wilder never travelled except for a shot to shyte fraudley and when he became a contender with hardly a ranking but wants champ purses
    Wilder never focused on his boxing fundamentals
    Wilder never held another belt
    Wilder never avenged a defeat
    Wilder never accepted a loss
    Wilder is the most hyped up can knocking heavy of his generation
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  10. carlingeight

    carlingeight Active Member Full Member

    May 15, 2016
    You think the slightly less blubbery version that needed to land 1000 times to beat a shocking Wilder is better than razor-sharp 2015 Fury that Wlad couldn't lay a glove on?

    The Fury from Wilder 2 gets destroyed by Aj or Usyk and a host of other top fighters. 2015 Fury is a force that none of them could handle, Usyk included.
  11. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Member Full Member

    Feb 27, 2024
    Fury managed to pull off a genius move after his comeback - he made some people believe Wilder was a number 1 heavyweight beside him, which he clearly wasn't. Do you really think he could have beaten AJ if he fought him in December 2018? Of course not. But he shocked the world coming off the canvas against a hard punching but very limited fighter. He was great in the rematch but after that he never looked spectacular. I rate his Whyte win higher than some of y'all tho, he completely neutrlized him and knocked him out. He still didn't look great doing that. His legs were nowhere near what they used to be even in the first Wilder fight. Now, against Usyk, we'll see how good Fury really is after his comeback. Let's not forget he only beat 2 top 10 fighters in those 6 years.
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2024
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  12. Wig

    Wig Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 31, 2010
    In mitchworld, nobody gets old.

    *except for Luis Ortiz when facing Deontay Wilder
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  13. Bob Flaps

    Bob Flaps Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 30, 2019
    Heard people saying this for years - that Klitschko couldn't lay a glove on Fury... Fury's face was black and blue in the press conference the next day. He edged a pretty scrappy fight but it wasn't a walkover.
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  14. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    To be fair Wlad was fairly marked up as well. Both eyes were bruised and 2 small cuts were stitched up.
  15. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 29, 2018
    Wilder was losing rounds to Spzilka due to his movement.

    Wilder struggled to land a powerful shot against Duhaupas as he walking Wilder down putting him on the back

    Washington was taking rounds off him with his average jab.

    Ortiz was causing Wilder issues with his counter punching.

    These are average fighters and a world level fighter better than all the above guys in these attributes put it altogether and won every round against Wilder.

    Same Wilder, he just stepped against a well rounded world level boxer.

    Wilder is the biggest hype job in boxing history and was exposed.
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