Fury's comments on Usyk

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  1. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Defeating an old Wlad is comparable to Marciano defeating old Louis, a win for which Marciano gets no props and neither should Fury.

    Wilder is constantly disparaged in here and everywhere else as a poor boxer, having bad footwork, no jab, no decent plans except for Plan A which is land a big right hand. Yes defeating Wilder compares favorably with top wins of ATG HWs?

    Usyk is by anyone's estimation an ATG Cruiserweight. If ( a big if considering what's going on in his country) defeats Joshua again then Fury those 3 wins would be bigger than any 3 Fury wins. I'm assuming you would agree that on paper Joshua looks better than Wilder.
     
  2. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guys you have to know by now that you can't take anything Fury says seriously. He's retired like 3 times now.
     
  3. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "Defeating an old Wlad is comparable to Marciano defeating old Louis, a win for which Marciano gets no props and neither should Fury."

    You've already discredited yourself with this nonsense. Louis had been defeated just over a year prior, had been relatively inactive by his standards and wasn't a champion anymore, Wlad was undefeated in 11 years, active, a unified champ on a 22 win streak and the P4P No.2, in his backyard as the A-side. Furthermore, if Fury gets "no credit" for schooling Wlad in Germany, then AJ gets less than no credit for going life and death with a 17 months older, 17 months inactive, dethroned Wlad in Britain. By that standard AJ is rubbish and there's no need to fight him anyway as he gets less than no credit for beating Wlad, who is by far his best win.

    "Wilder is constantly disparaged in here"

    Of course he is. Just as Wlad was, Lewis and Holyfield were and Holmes was. Boxing fans have a bias against the present. Wilder's attributes make him a live underdog at minimum against any HW.

    Usyk beating AJ x2 isn't as good as Fury beating champ Wlad or an undefeated Wilder, let alone in the manner that Fury did. AJ was already damaged goods with his awful quitjob loss to that 5'11, light punching, morbidly obese late sub. But Usyk is without question in my eyes the GOAT cruiser and a serious stylistic problem at minimum for any heavyweight.
     
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  4. FastSmith7

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    Fury is surely more past it.
    The 2 years of heavy drug and alcohol abuse while ballooning up to like 500lbs probably took 3-4 years of his prime.
     
  5. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    If he beats AJ again and beats Fury, he'd be in contention for top ten.



    I have Rocky at # 5.

    If Usyk gets past AJ again, unifies and wins over Fury, and makes a couple of defences of the undisputed title, say Wilder and Whyte, and then retires, I think that would elevate him over Rocky.

    He would only have 23 pro fights and only7 HW bouts, but...
     
  6. Serge

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  7. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    We'll have a better idea this weekend. Although Fury wasn't training and was abusing junk food and drugs during the layoff, he wasn't getting punched in the head.
     
  8. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Good spot but it's less praise and more the blindingly obvious to contradict Johnny Nelson's ludicrous and resentful claim that Usyk is an "average southpaw". But in fairness Fury didn't have to say anything. Nelson was the same when Huck was closing in on his cruiser title defence record, very bitter.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    True but he agreed with Adam Smith's (OBE) evaluation of Usyk who FTR is the best southpaw HW champ of all time and the current best or second best southpaw in the sport.
     
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  10. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I'll add it to the list. Usyk's competition in that regard consists of: Moorer, Sanders, Byrd, Sultan, Chagaev and technically Charles Martin, so it's head and shoulders. Fury said the other day that Usyk is "no young Evander Holyfield" but young Holyfield was beaten by a former LHW southpaw with a glass chin relative to Usyk! Furthermore, in the same interview Fury expressed a belief in the gradual progressive evolution of boxing, so according to that theory Usyk would be expected to be better than Holyfield, who Fury himself said was not able to hang with the SHW champions of the 90's, while Usyk was able to school a 2020's SHW champion in his backyard. Fury loves to talk trash but he knows that Usyk could very well be his toughest challenge and has said as much.
     
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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Some very good and dangerous southpaws there but none of them beat Usyk at his best.

    Yes, Fury is very knowledgeable and astute about the sport and far from stupid and he's fully aware of the threat Usyk poses him and that Usyk has the speed, skills and style to cause him nightmares.
     
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  12. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I do not think Usyk can beat Fury.
     
  13. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    I dont think Fury wants to fight Usyk and this might be his last fight.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Steve Bunce called Usyk "a half-decent heayweight" WTF?
     
  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He has the best chance, though I feel Whyte will beat Fury too.