Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by iamtheman, Oct 9, 2021.
6.5-7 out of 10
But you did not answer my objection that so many fighters who are ATGs that you would say have very good chins were put down-& KOed-more often than Fury. Even some with fewer fights, & Wilder has limited skills so he does not avoid having his chin tested too much, unlike many others do.
Again he had less power before Wilder-although reports of him not being able to break a soap bubble were overstated-because he did not readjust his style & get Kronk-trained to be more aggressive & sit down on his punches.
We are talking about how hard he hits recently in the last few fights, when attacking & smothering, not when he chose to box & move more.
Most everyone has it right. Someone his size & leverage who knows technique & trains for power is gonna have decent power.
You will see the impact his blows have on others unless he chooses a style like against Wlad.
I rebutted you in detail about Wilder's chin-you seem to ignore the argument & repeat the unsupported premise.
Again, so many people were down & KOed by more guys than Wilder, who is no defensive wizard so he takes shots, & from modern HWs.
If he has a bad chin, Louis is worse, Frazier too in worse fights, so many others...No his chin is decent.
You should not base Fury's power just on his previous fights.
He was never feather fisted, but did not hit as hard because he chose a style where he did not sit down on his punches & was elusive.
Everyone else sees how his power is at least good.
Given his technique, training & size, this is not surprising.
I see you're not letting this one go.
Okay, on what basis have you made your opinion about Wilder's chin?
I do not understand how you can ask me that h8me.
I just told you yet again, & reminded you that you missed or ignored what I wrote before.
Just read the line in my past post here, & I gave other examples of fighters that were also down by less people than Wilder before. That you & most everyone would consider having at leasta good chin. And how much they vs. Wilder were hit...Just read what I kept saying!
Yes I ignored your comments, do you know why?
Well because when I say Fury has no power, saying Wilder has good power doesn't prove me wrong.
And when I'm saying Wilder has no chin, saying Fury has good chin also does not prove me wrong.
I think I don't understand what is your point.
That does not make any sense on several fronts.
1) If you disagree with someone yet continue to write seemingly politely but repeat the same points & ignore what someone else said, it seems you are not paying attention, is not rational debate, & it wastes the other person's time.
2) It also tends to breed mutual disrespect.
3) I gave specific reasons & challenges why I say Wilder has a decent chin.
It is FALSE that I just asserted the premise without evidence, I repeatedly gave you reasons.
4) I also was not talking about Wilder/s power. Except to note that you can see Fury & Wilder's power is not so massively different.
5) I never said Wilder has "good" power. It is great, likely among the hardest hitters ever.
This & his height/length & speed is what makes him World Class-despite his limitations in skill..
6) Indeed if it was only "good", then you could be right that Fury's power was (at least a bit) below average.
You have misrepresented what I said.
7) I do not think you are honest about why you supposedly "chose" not to reply to my repeated, Good Faith arguments.
Even above you still do not mention the meat of what i said.
And the examples I gave of a bunch of other ATG HWs, who you would say have good or better chins, who were Koed less than Wilder.
Down less often than Wilder, certainly put down by less fighters.
Some in less fights.
Some who have bettter defenses thus have absorbed less punishment than Wilder.
Some fought smaller, less harder hitting HWs than him.
So it seems clear that you did not NOTICE or pay attention to my actual arguments.
OR chose to ignore them because you had no answer.
Because when you justify IGNORING my arguments but cannot even properly state what I said...
AND cannot even broadly describe my actual arguments...
You did not pay attention OR avoided answering because you had no case.
Fuhgettibout responding here to this question-unless you are the unusual person on this forum who can get past fragile Ego & admit the obvious Truth.
Just next to you disagree with anyone here-certainly with ME:
Be decent, read & reply to what they say.
Follow "The Golden Rule".
If Klitschko is a 10 and Lewis a 9 Joshua should be 8 so Fury 7 at best.
Look at Chisora at the second fight. Fury hits hard in volumes.
I think this is close. Although Joshua may well also be an 8, he just is not as good as Lewis.
I think Fury is at least a 7, possibly an 8, but only after he got the Kronk makeover!
Before that he was at most a 6. But with all that size & long arms & knowing proper technique, he always had the potential to hit at least fairly hard-for a modern HW.
Similar power to vitali.
mate u seem mental
What is this rant about?
You litterally mentioned only Frazier and Louis. You think Wilders chin is on the level of Frazier? Tf u talking about.
There are no arguments in your rants.
I said my piece. Every time Wilder gets hit he wobbles. You're saying he was never KO'd? Yeah, look at his resume. Not surprising. He fought terrible opposition, his career is being guided very safely. And that is also why, considering Fury's previous fights, I do not belive that Tyson hits very hard.
Fury doesn't have ballistic power like Wlad, Lennox or even Wilder in his right, but he is heavy handed.
So now after you do not even seem to pay attention to my arguments in many posts, you restate them in a completely inaccurate way.
You either *lied* about ignoring anything I said because you were covering for not noticing any case I stated many times...
Or really just cannot or will not focus on what someone tells you many times.
Now you add insult to injury by projecting upon me that I seem mental lol!
An through in abbreviations for cursing, very classy.
I *literally* mentioned more boxers than Louis & Frazier, but only mentioned them the last time. You did not have the decency to go back & read who else I cited & what I said when I kept asking you to.
Now I literally carefully enumerated seven (7) points, & you ignore most of them, & irrationaly describe these as no arguments.
I do not care that you have the indefensible, absurd argument that Wilder literally wobbles every time he gets hit.
You seem unable to comprehend that I am no Wilder fan, agree his resume is terrible, & whaty I said about his chin compared tom Frazier & Louis. Again, while his skills are way lower, him being down less while hit often against big modern HWs means it is at least in that ballpark.
You said your "piece"? You act without goodwill or "peace".
When you wrote "I see you are not going to let this go" I gave you more chances-by repeating what I actually said & referring you to my past posts. But you could not even summarize my arguments correctly. Anyone can see this.
So since you do not care to be either rational or decent; just do not write me back about this issue.
IF you ever engage me again, do not waste my time by not even trying to understand what I write, stuffing words in my mouth, then acting nasty under the cover of anonymity.
Do not respond here, we are done.
What are you talking about? I'm asking you once again and I'm being serious.The lack of content in your rants is frightening.
I actually went back to check if I missed something before my last response and yes you literally named only Frazier and Louis. This is absurd.
As for proper disscussion Wilder hasn't faced a guy with decent power yet. You compare him to Frazier who fought total killers and was KD'd only by Foreman and Bonavena. His chin ain't even in disscussion.
Would you make a case for Joshua's chin before 1st Ruiz fight? Using your logic someone could've said, that AJs' chin is decent because he was down only in fight against Klitschko.