Fury's resume isn't any better than Chris Byrd's

It's not remotely debatable. Wilder lost rounds to Luis Ortiz than Vitali lost in his entire career. Vitali would beat Wilder to a messy, bitching pulp.

There isn't much to debate. Tua is obviously better than Wilder. I'm not arguing for Fury; I'm saying Byrd's résumé is better.

 

Indeed.

Wlad was the top heavyweight in the world, lineal, and hadn't been beaten in over a decade. He'd beaten the Ring rated top contender in the previous 2 years as well as 2 x top 5 contenders. He may have been top 5 P4P rated as well from memory. On top of this he remained as high as #2 after losing to Fury and proved he had plenty left with a gallant showing against Joshua a year and a half later in a fight he had a real chance of winning. On top of this fury was around a 7-2 underdog.

Holyfield was considered worn enough to be a 2-1 underdog. Holyfield won 2 fights in a 9 fight stretch and tho Lewis was 2 of these Holyfield was performing MILES below what Wlad had been going into the Fury clash. I don't think Ruiz was even Ring rated during their trilogy.

 

If you want to make the case that Fury is not an all time great the case is there to be made. You don’t need to drag in Chris Byrd for clumsy comparisons.
Build your case over Wlad’s age and noticeable slippage. Wilder being greatly overrated. Whyte being exposed and brutally ko’d by Povetkin. And not much else of a resume. Fighting Chisora an old gatekeeper a 3rd time doesn’t help.
Fury will get into the Hall of Fame. But to me he’s no ATG. Resume is too light for that discussion. Too many needless fights, Schwartz, Pianeta and Chisora 3. Plus the 2 years out of the ring with mental issues. Fury has squandered a lot.

 

I don't think Tua is necessarily better than wilder but he threw a better left hook, seemed to have a better chin, worked better inside and had better footwork.

 

The win over old Wlad is better than the win over Holyfield. Wlad was the reigning champ, No1 heavyweight and on a winning streak.

 

Both of those are clearly better wins than Ortiz... Wilder has never beaten anyone as good as Herbie Hide. Vitali's resume sucks, but it's much better than Wilder's.

It's not a debate. Not for anyone who's watched them both and has two brain cells to run together.

Tua's title shots come against Lennox Lewis and Chris Byrd. Wilder wouldn't won those fights either; and given that Wilder avoided literally every contender in the division before getting a shot at the title makes his trinket title more or less worthless in this comparison. Especially given that he didn't fight anyone worth **** for YEARS after winning it.

Tua has a better chin; better stamina, a much wider arsenal of good shots and is a far better body puncher. He has a better defence, better footwork, is stronger, is just as quick, throws better combinations, has much better technique and beat much better fighters. Wilder's only other advantage over Tua aside from two factors you mentioned is he has a much bigger heart, but he himself has only ever lost when he's stepped up in competition. And he's lost in much worse fashion than Tua ever did.

 

and then some, FURY is nothing more than a Novelty,

he IS a 6'9" GIANT,
a Gypsy Traveller,
a bit entertaining - to the 'youngish' juvenile, owned it/schooled it, mentality type mind
a Mental Health Poster Boy

a TV Exploited by-product of the 'Gypsy Reality' programs of the last decade or so...

and a Hand Picked PROTECTED Investment to the Hilt!

he IS a nice & likeable person.

But as to BOXING, Boxing History and TRUE Great SKILL...

Nah, sorry, 3rd Rate - second at best!

 

One thing I'd like to point out, is that you said Wladimir was gunshy vs Fury, which is true it was a terrible fight. But do you think there was other factors involved ? I do believe Fury did get into Wladimir's head with all his antics. And Wladimir is also not used to fighting an opponent bigger than him aswell.

I mean look at this way Wladimir certainly wasn't gunshy vs Joshua, and freely let his hands go in arguably the most exciting fight of his career.

 

Well I don't judge a man boxing his age. He wasn't focused coming into this fight as was going through a divorce with a mental ill wife. Fury was for a change focused and trained well for the match. The stars line up for the gypsy king and he clearly was not fighting a primes Wlad, or a focused Wlad. He was a 39 year old man with distractions. If he fought a prime and focused Wlad, Fury would have been knocked out. But as it was he was fighting a 39 year old man. And Your right it was a boring fight mainly because Wlad didn't do anything, expect for the final round. To bad for him he didn't fight that way sooner. We saw what a focused 40 year Wlad can do vs Joshua.

 

Fury is the most overrated Hw next to Wilder. These men have fought and beat very few actual
Contenders to deserve the praise they get. The sad thing is Fury is talented he just chooses not to fight the best at every turn. Always an excuse as to why the deals can’t be made. He chose to fight the worst of the best in Wilder because Wilder was so obviously flawed. He managed to avoid a younger Povetkin, AJ, and Usyk all of whom were the best of this generation and yet he calls himself the best. How can you call him that when he doesn’t fight the best? Heck he could have fought Ruiz dec 3 instead of that journey man Chisora. at least and it would be better quality.

 

Wilders footwork is good for closing the distance and making angles but he can't really outmaneuver his opponents. Like u said it's about the style that fits their body type so it makes sense they'd have certain things more developed than others.