Fury's resume isn't any better than Chris Byrd's

Fury's tactics, both outside and inside the ring, elicited profound doubts in a - up to that point - dominant champion.

 

Well it's a discussion because Wladimir wasn't gun shy in his very next fight vs Joshua, which was as I said arguably the most exciting fight of his career. So I don't think Wladimir was gun shy because of his age. So a reasonable speculation is that Fury's attributes and style aswell as mind games did effect Wladimir. And it's not like Wladimir is known for his aggressive style, he has been in some of the most boring fights in history, where he did little like vs Haye, Povetkin, etc. Its just vs Fury he couldn't use his size and reach to his advantage vs the bigger man.

 

I've always believed that a "logical conclusion" required a valid argument.

 

There's no speculation involved if you know anything about his career.

Explain why he was so gunshy against David Haye ? The man landed an average of 2 power punches a round on Haye? TWO.

Look how gunshy he was against Povetkin. Fury made Wlad gunshy , same as how Usyk made prime Gassiev gunshy. What don't you get about it?

And btw , a number of people picked Fury to win based on styles. Because unless an opponent is standing right in front of him , Wlad was always hesitant to throw and engage.

 

Your exact words were: "[Wlad] was gunshy and hesitant"

You don't know that Wlad was "gunshy". You just think he was.

If Wlad was hesitant, then there could be a number of reasons for why he was hesitant.


He was the same against Chambers. It's just that Chambers had no armory with which he could capitalize on Wlad's hesitancy.

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And, this was when Wlad was in his pomp.


In effect, you have drawn a conclusion both on the basis of a weak or entirely false premise, as well as made a faulty generalization by failing to consider other explanations for why Wlad underperformed.

 

I think your slightly overlooking though, that Wladimir had never fought anyone the size of Fury combined with the skill. I think we have to give some credit to Fury even though the fight was dreadful, rather than just putting it down to Wladimir was gun shy.

A big part of Wladimir's success was his superior attributes over other fighters in regards to his reach, size, etc. Now obviously i'm not saying Wladimir was just a big lumbering guy who won every fight based on his size, of course he had good skills for a big man. But this was the first time in his career he didn't have those advantages, and i think it was a combination of a few things. Wladimir being past his best, Fury's size and skill, mind games, etc.

As for the Joshua fight i mean it won Fight Of The Year and it's arguably the best Heavyweight fight of the decade, and it was probably one of Wladimir's most exciting fights. And he did show he had something left in that fight. And to me it shows how styles can make fights, Wladimir was much more offensive vs Joshua but he wasn't vs Fury, so what does that tell you ? clearly Fury's style bothered him more.

And finally lets be honest Wladimir is not a blood and guts warrior, that will put it all on the line looking for KO. Wladimir when he went with Steward become a much more cautious fighter, and he never really come out of that shell and was content with his jab and grab style. Unless he was in complete control and a stoppage opportunity arised.

 

If you watch closely Wlad was visible decline around the time of the Jennings fight. His last prime fight was Pulev and he certain was not gun shy in that one! But by the time Fury meet him he was old and in the decline lacking in motivation.

While Fury was actually motivated and in shape. Fury by the way tested positive for nadrolone, a banned steroid which among other thing burn up fat and make you stronger possibly explaining the reason Fury was shape for this fight. Draw your own conclusions.

• Fury tested positive for nandrolone after the fight. The result was revealed seven months after the fight and a month after Fury [url]had beaten Wladimir Klitschko[/url].

I ponder if all posters know this fact. Wlad was much older, under motivated while Fury was at his best weight and plausibly on something.

 

Yes because most people viewed Wlad to be still in his prime and expected him to be too much for inexperienced Fury. The excuses came after Fury outboxed with one arm behind his back.

 

Correction , Two arms behind his back. Trunks falling down. Boots on his feet from the 1970's that cut his feet to ribbons. . All facts.

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