Fury's Triumph Helps Prove the Need for a Super Heavyweight Division

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  1. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Like everyone else, I want there to be less divisions in boxing, not more. We could do w/o super middleweight or junior middleweight, etc.

    But boxing desperately needs a super heavyweight division. A heavyweight division that is 200-230 would be a glamour division for boxing where great televised match-ups get made. Boxers like Povetkin could become legit champs and would be forced to fight the best at their own size.

    Consider that outside of Povetkin, Chagaev and Haye, most contemporary heavyweights that have won titles or eliminators have been super heavyweights. Fury, Thompson, Pulev have/had the edge over smaller heavyweight challengers.

    A good big guy often beats a great small guy. Fury being the man to dethrone Klitschko vindicates that since the arrival of elite superheavies like Lennox, times have changed. The era of super heavyweights is upon us. It's time to give classic heavyweights (eg guys the size of Ali) their own division.

    Mark my words, when Wilder steps up and faces a legit super heavyweight like Klitschko or Fury, Wilder's size disadvantage will be a major factor. We will see even more evidence that the extra 20 lbs of muscle can have a decisive impact.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In your scenario, Wilder would be in the 200-230 weight division. Wilder hasn't weighed 230 pounds or more for a fight in his entire pro career.

    And your super heavyweight division would be Tyson Fury and fat, dumpy guys like Andy Ruiz and Chris Arreola, who don't feel like training. It wouldn't be filled with giants, it would be filled with fat guys.

    Also, Steve Cunningham's flattening of Fury proves there is absolutely no need for a super heavyweight division.

    There have always been tall heavyweights. There have always been short heavyweights. Guys with height and reach over an opponent tend to have an advantage regardless of what weight class they are in.

    But there are exceptions to every rule.
     
  3. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes. Wilder is a skinny dude who won his bronze at 201 lbs. Legit super heavies will have a significant size advantage over him.

    In this scenario, guys like Arreola and Ruiz would have more incentive to get in shape, since they have a much better chance of winning a title at 200-230 than 230+. Sometimes fat guys at heavyweight stay fat to have a little extra bulk in fights against superheavies. And this makes for boring matchups.
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How does this make me wrong? I said he hasn't weighed more than 230 pounds for any pro fight. How does weighing 201 make him a super heavyweight?:nut:roll:
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nothing has provided Chris Arreola or Andy Ruiz with incentive.

    You think they'll "choose" the lighter weight division? Are you drunk already? It's not even midnight yet. :hi::good
     
  6. Kel1981

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    No more divisions, thanks. I completely agree with Dubblechin.
     
  7. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I misread your post. Obviously my initial post classified him as a heavy and not a super heavy, since I'm claiming that Wilder won't be able to compete against an elite super heavy. A superheavyweight division would definitely benefit Wilder because he could use his natural advantages against other heavies without being outsized by super heavies.
     
  8. ludwig

    ludwig Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Honestly, if these guys were true athletes they'd be cruisers. But they would have no excuse whatsoever to not get down to 230 (where they'd still be chubby mofos)
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, there isn't a super heavyweight division, and Wilder already has the WBC heavyweight championship.

    So I think your claim he can't hang is as weird as this whole thread.

    Wilder doesn't need any help. He's doing fine.

    And boxing doesn't need a super heavyweight division.

    The heavyweight champion is supposed to be able to beat up everyone. If he can't, then maybe the next man up will.
     
  10. IsaL

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    I don't think a Super Heavyweight division is a bad idea at all.
     
  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Andy Ruiz is a fat tub of goo who just fights corpses. If you gave him a choice of fighting above 230 or below 230, he'll fight above 230. HE always has. He always will. The lightest he's EVER weighed is 246, and he's been a pro for six years.

    And Arreola's career is all but over. I don't see him going on a crash diet EVER. He weighed 229 ONCE a decade ago.

    A super heavyweight class would be all the fat guys and Fury (who isn't exactly JOHNNY FITNESS himself).

    Big mistake.
     
  12. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Arreola has like no muscle whatsoever. If he actually kept his diet in check he would not even be a heavyweight by the current standard. He actually fought as a light heavy in the amateurs.

    Fatsos aside, there probably could be a bit of restructuring of the weight classes. Eliminate the really low classes like minimum and flyweight. If you are a grown man and under 120lbs, maybe fighting is not for you! Then go back to the original 8 and add a super heavy.
     
  13. Uppercut_Artist

    Uppercut_Artist Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You have to understand the mindset of the attention starved European fan. To compensate for their lack of skill, they'll take every short cut or barely legal tactic to win.
    Mixing Super Heavyweight and Heavyweight divisions provides a distinct size advantage to the SHW, which is why and how a mediocre exceptionally large boxer was able to dominate the heavyweight division for so long.

    The Olympics does not mix the two divisions. Why?
    Because no national representative is fool enough to be willing to sign up for such an obvious physical disadvantage. The Pros shouldn't be any different.
     
  14. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Always thought the gap between light-heavy and cruiserweight was more of an issue...
     
  15. likeafire

    likeafire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No what we need is just one champion in each division. Then we can really see who the best is and boxers will be forced to fight each other.