Fury's wins over Wlad and Wilder eclipse any single wins on Lennox's resume

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wlad chose the wrong tactics.

    Mike was totally out of his depth and only fought because he desperately needed the cheque.

    Wlad could have continued had he have wanted to, and there’s talk of a comeback at some point.

    Mike lost to 2 European level fighters shortly afterwards.

    At least Wlad proved in the AJ fight that he was still a world class HW.

    Despite it being uneventful, Tyson’s win in Germany has to be better than Lewis’ win.
     
  2. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    AJ fought to what little strengths Wlad had left. AJ got destroyed by a much less skilled Ruiz later. I will agree that Wlad was in a better position when he lost to Fury than Tyson was when he fought Lewis.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    AJ was there for the taking. Wlad had him. But Vitali was too cautious and told him to back off.
     
  4. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's you, not me, but you who said that Wladimir Klitschko is one of the most dedicated and hardest working heavyweights of all time. That contradicts your comment about Wladimir Klitschko retiring without being shot, instead of continuing to fight on. You can't have it both ways, if you want your argument to maintain any logical consistency.

    It is a historical fact that some of the best records have been set by athletes during their late 20's, early 20's and very few in their early 30's in sports that require fast and explosive foot movement. Thus, athletic peak as far as foot speed and explosiveness are concerned, are during those years. You'd be hard-pressed to find any such records being set in an athlete's late 30's, further confirming my point that foot speed and explosiveness decline by that age.

    So yes, Fury's foot speed and explosiveness were as good as they've ever been against Wladimir Klitschko. But even during his peak, he failed to get close enough and close the distance enough against an old, past-prime Wladimir Klitschko with footwork at his worst to land as many punches as he historically should have.

    I've already answered your question! Can you read? Or do you still need some lesson on reading (along with basic logic)? Wladimir Klitschko's FOOTWORK WAS AT PEAK AT AGE 27 AS FAR AS SPEED AND EXPLOSIVENESS ARE CONCERNED. Let me know if I need to repeat that statement again for you, or break it down even further. I'm more than happy to help!

    Can you point where I said you said "Fury's footwork in his peak didn't allow him"? Otherwise, that's a strawman fallacy you are guilty of committing!

    My reasoning was very clear. It is an inductive reasoning, the same reasoning that allows me to also conclude that the sun will rise up tomorrow, as opposed to not. Let me know if things still need to be broken down for you even further. I can help you in every stage of the way.

    Also, I stated Wlad's FOOTWORK only was at peak in terms of speed and explosiveness. I never stated Wlad was at his peak OVERALL in every area of his game. So again, unless you can pinpoint exactly where I stated Wlad was in his peak OVERALL at age 27, you're committing another strawman. Do you need help understanding what a strawman is, and how to avoid committing this fallacy? As evidently, you can't stop committing this fallacy. I mean, I can help you here too. Just a ask away!

    Any other points you need me to address or take apart? I mean, I'm loving this. Can't get enough of them! Keep them coming if you still need help!
     
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    No!!
    Lennox achieved so much more in his career, he s right up there with Ali, Louis and Foreman for me.
     
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  6. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let me see, a past it Lewis vs a Prime Vitaly in one of the best HW fights of all time V.S a prime Fury running away from a past it old Wlad in one of the moat boring fights of all time?

    Ye I’ll take the first one. A fight that will still be watched in a 100 years.