G reg PAGE OF 1982 vs. COONEY of 1983

Ok so now amateur success is a great barometer??

Lets look at Pages -

• 1975 National Golden Gloves Quarterfinalist, losing a decision to John Tate.
• 1976 Ohio State Fair Champion, upsetting National AAU Champion Marvin Stinson.
• 1976 National Golden Gloves Semi-Finalist, losing a decision to Michael Dokes.
• 1977 National AAU Heavyweight Champion, defeating Woody Clark. Page avenged an earlier loss to Clark, and was named the tournament's outstanding boxer.
• 1977 National Golden Gloves Finalist, losing to Jimmy Clark.
• 1978 National AAU Heavyweight champion.
• 1978 National Golden Gloves Heavyweight Champion, stopping William Hosea at 2:38 of the second round
• Defeated Igor Vysotsky, the man who twice beat Cuban legend Teofilo Stevenson.
• Defeated Tony Tubbs six out of seven times during their amateur careers.
• Finished amateur career at 94-11.

How's that for some nice am success?

Page laid on the ropes and hoped King had enough influence over the judges? Who's the clown now?

Feel free to mention any gift decisions he received courtesy of King.

Two of his biggest wins were both sorted via stoppage and he comfortably outpointed Snipes.

 

Because Page, like Berbick and so many other 80's heavies was woefully inconsistent and so often uninspired. Berbick was a step up in class for Page and stylistically was a good foil for him. Add to this a broken right thumb in round 2 and that was all she wrote.

Berbick could lose to a Snipes and Gordon yet still beat a Page or Thomas. The 80's were a merry go round.

Snipes beat a Berbick who had just beaten Page quite easily and then Page beat Snipes quite easily. Welcome to the 80's, and boxing in general.

 

Cooney stopped Young on a cut!!!!

 

Now you are accusing Unforgiven of bias against Cooney?!?!?!?

This should be good, he's not impressed with either of them

 

More than happy for you to point out any "obvious points" tho as some don't seem to comprehend the obvious.

 

I'm not trying to wiggle out of anything. As Unforgiven said it's a well known fact that Cooney's ethnicity had a lot to do with his marquee value. I honestly didn't know there was someone on the planet that didn't somehow realize this. It belies belief.

 

Truth be told it would be hard to be overly confident that either would win this fight. Page was terribly hot and cold and Cooney didn't beat anyone of note and certainly not a real world top 5 heavyweight.

So many have knocked out lower level to just ok level opposition in fantastic style over the decades and then been totally found out when the opposition gets better.

At least in Page we know he could best top 5 heavyweights and indeed a guy ranked #2. With Cooney's it's a lottery. Maybe he would have done ok, maybe he would not have.

 

Absolutely and absolutely. Good to see you remember the "super" moniker

Page had the better wins and worse losses. One of my points tho is what losses would Cooney have picked up if he was fighting the likes of true contenders like Berbick, Witherspoon, Coetzee etc.

The way his career panned out we don't know for sure what his actual level was as he either fought nobodies and washed up names or a great like Holmes, a canny guy like Spinks or Foreman with no prep. I think he could have been quite a good fighter if his heart was in boxing and he had the right guidance.

 

Young was stopped on cuts against Cooney. It was a hideous cut and Cooney did not drop or stagger Young. Young was fighting back and landing even with blood all over his face.

 

I think Young had just won “comeback of the year” or something like that when Cooney beat him. He wasn’t spent like Lyle and Norton.

 

The Ocasio fights were close though, like a lot of his loses.

 

He actually won it in 81 after losing to Cooney and before losing to Page. But he hadn't beaten any top 10 guys unrest winning streak. But, you're right, he was live completion aginst both Cooley and Page.

 

Young was the best for sure. It's a shame it went the way of a cut but belting someone good enough to split their face is a perfectly legitimate way to beat them.

 

Pretty much this.