Gaining 'good' weight

You dont really put on that much fat. If you are working out you are going to store a much larger portion of your fat as intramuscular fat which makes you more powerful. Its not like you are sitting on your ass all day. The intensity of your winter workouts are much much harder than your spring summer workouts. You are busting your ass. You are lifting harder than you do in the summer. You dont see body builders or power lifters in their winter bulking phase who look like lard asses. They are simply not as slim as they normally are. You go up maybe one pant size. Your argument is a strawman. The point is you eat what you want till you are full and you don't give a **** about your calorie intake. Calorie intake is in response to workout intensity. If you feel that your intensity isn't where you need it eat even more. Those high fats are a good source of energy that lets you train much harder in the winter months. You are going to gain much more muscle if you aren't trying to lift on a calorie starved diet. You aren't a ****ing god you cant will yourself through an energy depleted diet no mater how much your ****ing ego makes you think you can.

 

****ing false. The calorie depleted diet effects your workout intensity. You dont move the weight you dont get as big as you could have gotten. Especially if you are working towards a lot of myofibril hypertrophy which is 100% dependent on weight and intensity not exhaustion. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy can be achieved just as easily on a calorie depleted diet because simulating it is all about exhaustion. The problem is it is 100% for show and produces on real strength.

Eat the fats get the energy bust you ****ing ass with all that energy. Lose any excess weight in the spring. Dont give two shits about calories in the winter. Everything hinges on the intensity of your winter workouts. You make everything about calories you **** yourself over. People who sell the spork are just trying to sell you a bill of goods. Its harder to do so you need to pay them to help you. Winter bulking is easy. You don't need to pay a personal trainer/ dietician for it. So personal trainers/dieticians campaign against it. They favor the more balanced spork approach that requires you to pay them.

 

I have two questions that all that bull**** you just spouted didn't answer.

1) How much muscle do you think an average guy can build in a week?
2) How much weight should be gained each week?

I don't know about you, but I bust my ass in the gym whatever time of the year it is.

As usual your posts come down to the personal trainer conspiracies.

Here's a quote from Joe Defranco telling an athlete how to gain some weight. It really doesn't matter what time of year it is, this very basic advice works, obviously -

Does that say a pound a week for an athlete?! :scaredas:

 

Windigo, there's really no two ways about it other than you're wrong. What virus and I said is backed by science and is well known in much of the body-building community, where as you just seem to be looking for an excuse to stuff your face during the winter months.

Here's more reading for ya...
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html

Quick excerpts:
In reference to your dirty bulk opinion...

 

That depends what kind of muscle are we talking about? You always seem to think that all muscle is the same. Its not. You see everything as a math equation. Its not. In the winter I'm looking for myofibril gains which is going to be even less weight than the pound per week you are boasting about. Since your clients dont know the difference I'm sure you are happy selling them their pound of water. I however am not.

Myofibril hypertrophy is simply a function of weight and intensity. If I am weakend because of my diet than I cannot maximize my Myofibril gains. And once more since you are ignoring the benefit of fat. A fat muscle contracts stronger than a lean muscle. The more intramuscular fat you pack around in the winter the harder you can lift more weight more reps, which means more myofibril hypertrophy. This is a scientific fact you choose to ignore.

If I'm training for power and intensity I want to be a little fatter. You are stronger and have more energy when you carry more intramuscular fat.

And every morning I'm busting my ass. But I'm still stronger and better later in the day. The numbers don't lie. You confuse how it feels to how it actually is. The numbers dont lie. I move more weight, I burn more calories mid day than I do morning because I'm stronger. I've had multiple meals by then and I'm strong.

No matter how it feels to you are not performing at your best on your calorie controlled diet. You would move more weight with more intensity if you ate more and it would feel the same.

My posts come down to human nature. Personal training is a racket. You dont want to tell people to work out the way they should because then they wouldn't' need to pay you. There is no conspiracy needed. Its your own personal interest. There is an old expression. Keep your wife pregnant and barefoot. Most personal trainers live by that motto.

You seem to think that I think everything that DeFranco says is correct. But the question is phrased in such a way as to make winter bulking a no go. I wouldn't advised the person asking the question to winter bulk wither because they are clearly asking for a spork approach.

 

What I said is also backed up by science. But mine is more accurate. You are stronger and have more energy when you have more intramuscular fat. When we limit our body fat we weaken ourselves. When we are trying to get myofibril hypertrophy the strogner we are and the more energy we have the better. We dont want to be 6% body fat when we are training for myofibril hypertrophy that lack of fat weakens us. All of this is scientific fact you choose to ignore. Your quest for water isn't my quest for strength. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy is easy. You can do that in the spring and summer. The winter is all about myofibril.Which means you are going to want some fat.

This is all scientific fact that you choose to ignore.

As for the steroids copout. **** off. That is the refuge of every "expert" when their **** doesn't work as well. Its what the USOC crackpots are using at this present moment to justify their lack of gold medals. If you cant make arguments better than that leave the ****ing room to the adults please.

 

In summary. When doing your winter training you want to be fatter. You will be able to train better with more intramuscular fat. You will not get as fat as these salesmen say. The body responds to hard training by storing more fat as intramuscular fat. You dont gain near the subcutaneous fat as those who want you to pay them are arguing.

P.S. expect these salesmen to come back with arguments that intramuscular fat is bad. They will have many studies. These studies will deal with couch potatoes. Studies that have more accurately studied athletes have reached the exact opposite conclusions as those that studied the general population.

 

Gaining a bit of extra mass (1-2lbs a week) yes. Stuffing your face and not giving a **** which is what you're suggesting, no.

When you work out roughly how many calories you burn in a given session, consume those calories + an extra 500-750 on top of that, there's plenty of calories for energy and muscle building. Why you think you need to consume everything in site and get stupidly fat just because it's winter I don't know.

I love the way all your posts come down to "personal trainers are evil liars!!! WHHAAAAA!!!!"

 

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Here is a lecture series on a basic DiffEq class at MIT. I watch them all every year to keep my skill at DiffEq up to par since my field needs it but by chosen specality doens't work with them as much as I would like.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhJ8lVGbl8&feature=list_related&playnext=1&list=SPEC88901EBADDD980[/ame]

Have fun studying.

 

Again

You seem so angry. You need to chill out a bit, kid. :hi:

 

******* is a general part of my lexicon. If I use the term I'm not getting angry. Other words denote anger.

 

Well fat is energy, so yes when you have more of it you have more energy stored. You are not stronger when you have more intramuscular fat, athletes often have more intramuscular fat because your body draws from those fat supplies first when you exercise, as a result the body adapts by increasing their storage. After those intramusclar fats are drained then you burn the subcutaneous fat. If you just eat whatever you want you'll just keep topping up your subcutaneous fat supplies, which is pointless. You need a certain amount of fat but too much isn't going to do anything for you apart from make you fat.
Using fat as energy is more relevant for endurance sort of athletes. When you're strength training you tend to make your sessions shorter and sharper, you don't actually need that much energy because you're not using much. If you don't have much intramuscular fat for those sessions you'll probably be weaker but that's not really a problem if you have a decent diet and train regularly as you'll already have larger supplies to draw from.
When you strength train you're not primarily using intramuscular fat as fuel.
Saying the more energy the better is completely untrue when it come to strength training, saying more energy makes you stronger is also completely untrue. You need enough energy to do what you need to do and that's it basically. The reason why athletes eat more than they need when they bulk up is to 'make sure' they're getting what's necessary. They don't just eat whatever they like, they understand their needs and eat a few more calories than maintenance levels.
It's some interesting logic you've used to rationalise 'I'll eat whatever I want'...
The thread is about gaining 'good' weight'. Turning yourself into a whale by gorging on whatever you can see because you're so afraid of not getting maximum muscle strength gains from a 500 calorie surplus diet (which is perfectly fine) seems a bit paranoid and illogical to me..

 

Windigo, it's 3vs1 for a reason. But you can go ahead and stuff your face and blow up like a balloon this winter thinking it's doing you extra good, it isn't going to affect any of our lives.

Hahahahaha

1) I want this damn money I'm supposedly being paid, because I have yet to see a dime.

2) Did a personal trainer murder your family?

Circa 1500's: "Expect this Magellan character to argue the earth is spherical. He will even have an expedition to prove it by circumnavigating, but don't believe him! The earth is flat I tell you!"

 

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