gamboa is getting a little overrated here..

ALL ABOARD ON THE GAMBOA STEAMBOAT!

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43635

 

Aye aye captain

 

OK so which is it your going by, his age or his amateur experience? If its his age, I just said, my mate is 29years old too, does that mean he would have as much experience in his pro game as PBF since you seem to think it correlates with experience? If your going by amateur experience, again, Amir Khan achieved a silver medal in olympics and beat Mario Kindelan. Both Gamboa & Khan have proven to be great fighters as amateurs and thats that. Age has nothing to do with it, Tyson, Naseem both peaked at 21. Either your good enough at your craft (in this case amateur boxing) or your not, both have proven that their good enough at amateur boxing, whats left is for both to prove their good at pro's. So in that sense, they can be equally compared...although i wouldnt argue that Gamboa is a better amateur than Khan.

 

I read it. Your basically saying that because Kindelan expressed he liked Khan, he allowed himself to let down his whole nation of Cuba in order to allow this kid he liked to achieve his dream of beating him. :rofl :rofl :rofl Im guessing Pac should rematch Morales now and let Morales win since their both friends, nevermind all the brokenhearted filipinos and his pride.

 

You really dont know much about this Kidenlan/Kahn thing eh ?

 

Let me put it this way: don't you think Khan would have been better as a pro if he had had 4 more years as an amatuer? Have a wild guess?

And how many fighters peak in their early 20s? The vast majority don't. Most fighters are at their peak in the late 20s, early 30s.

Amateur experience IS relevant for the pro game. That is why fighters who don't have much amateur experience take longer to fight big pro fights - they need the extra experience. Fighters with plenty of amatuer experience usually fight for a title with 20 pro fights. e.g. Bute - 21 fights; fighters with little amateur experience take many more fights to fight for a title e.g. Kessler - 34 fights.

Someone with Gamboa's experience and talent should be able to fight for a title by his 16th fight or so...

Khan has less amateur experience - he's doing very well so far at 17 fights but still needs 2-3 more fights before he's ready for a title shot.

 

Even I, who live in Britain, just like dangerousity does, have heard that Kindelan was payed a huge amount to lose to Khan.

 

Kahn could have never beat Kindelan, if you watched their fight at the Olympics you can carely see this, kahn was really young and inexperience agains the legend Kindelan, it was a pieace of cake for Kindelan that fight, what difference would a year make ? rememer they fought in Britain only 1 year later. The fact that the fight over there was to give Kahn more publicity right before he turned pro is a no brainer, Kindelans amatuer carrer will never be questioned and so Warren offered him a great deal, and why not take it ? Kindelan is one of the most Communist people in Cuban sports so it was no mistiry that any profits would go to the cuban goverments, and it was obvious that Kindelan would not try to defect at this stage in his carrer and thats the only reason he was allowed to go there and fight Kahn, and why beat a young fighter that you have beating twice already when it raelly mattered (for the medals) and a young guy that has a great feature ahead of him ? You like the kid, its his dream to beat you before he turns pro, You get to go the Britain, you get a good deal, why beat him again ?

 

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This is what we heard here as well. Khan was supposed to go for another 4 years as an amatuer, to win Gold this time. However, when he decided to go pro for the money, they wanted him to "avenge" his loss to Kindelan, as if to say - "...look, there's no need for him to be an amatuer for another 4 years - he's good enough to win a gold medal NOW...beating Kindelan in the rematch proved that"...that kind of thing. It was a publicity stunt, as everyone was aware at the time...

 

thank you,

And also let me tell you when Kindelan beat Kahn in the final in 2004, alot of people in Cuba really liked the kid, they praised him.

And acutally people would joke around with Kindelan telling him "you let a 17 year old kid get 22 points on you" and Kindelan would say "he liked the kid and tought Kahn would be a champion in the pros, and getting 22 points by a future world champ is not that bad"

 

To be honest with, yes, but not by much. You can only learn so much from am's that will translate to pro. Amir Khan has learn 98% of that. Had he stayed longer as an amateur, he would have further perfected his "amateur" craft and become a more accomplished amateur. However becoming a more accomplished amateur doesnt mean it iwll improve his pro game, just his amateur game.

The 2 styles of amateur and pro is very different. Id take a guy with 50 pro fights and 50 amateur fights any day over a guy whos had 300 amateur fights and 10 pro fights. This is provided they are equal in every other way other than the path they chose to take. Amateur is relevant to a certain extent, but you get to a level where it may furthe rimprove your amateur skill and accomplishments, but will not do anything for your pro game.

As for Kindelan being paid off. First of all, Jaycuban made out like Kindeland did it out the kindness of his heart so I simply challenged the whole thing. As for him being paid of, I heard that too but where are your proof before stating this as fact? As of now were sticking to facts, fact is Khan beat Kindelan. Wether Kindelan was paid off or not is a whole different subject. Unles stated by Kindelan, Khan or Warren, then Khan beat Kindelan unless you can prove otherwise.

 

Khan beat Kindelan, Danny Williams beat Tyson, William Joppy beat Duran...etc. etc...

 

great point.

 

Danny did beat Tyson. An old shot Tyson. And Danny williams has admitted that.

Khan did beat Kindelan. Claiming someone was paid off is hardly comparable to seing a bum beat a shot legend.

"Guess what, Mayweather beat Hatton."

"No, hatton was paid off"

"prove it!"

"no...errr....well Williams beat Tyson!!!!"


yeh, your argument really holds water. Stick to facts, dont throw in conspiracy theories stating them as facts to support your argument.

 

Kindelan retired. He was convinced to come out of retirement especially to travel to Bolton to fight Khan because Khan was desperate to beat him, before turning pro. He had beaten Khan twice before retiring, when it really mattered.

Believe what you want.:good