Gamboa is only the tip of the Iceberg

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  1. Santiago

    Santiago Active Member Full Member

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  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a packed card though nothing extraordinary in opposition. I'm not really impressed with Rigondeaux's foe although he seems better than his record would suggest, but not the level you'd expect. Now the fighter I'm pretty excited about (not fighting on the card) is Umberto Savigne, the 31 year-old who knocked out world title challenger Epifanio Mendoza in his 2nd fight. I noticed he was 190lbs in that fight, a lot less than his debut (197). I'm wondering whether he's planning to go down to 175 or did he reach his ideal weight. There's very little info on him out there.
     
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  3. Santiago

    Santiago Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with you BigBone, although
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  4. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    why do all their names start with Y?
     
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  5. Santiago

    Santiago Active Member Full Member

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    Well that is probably due to a trend in Cuba which continues until today ...
    which is so extended that for example the name of one of the most known Cuban blogs is "Generation Y".

    I suppose that these names were used in major extent by the Cuban black population (in opposition to the owner of that Blog, who is a white woman), the most numerous in the island. I think, and this is more of a personal supposition, that it has it's root on the African religion, like in the word "Yoruba" , "Yemaya"...

    Therefore there are a real confusion originated thanks to the the vivid creativity of the Cuban masses, causing the appearence of that new breed of names in Cuba, where the traditional Spanish names are becoming a minority.
     
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  6. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm glad that a lot of cuban boxers are defecting and fighting pro, this will put an end to the myth that if cuba opened it's borders cubans will take over profesional boxing. A lot of talent yes but their fighting styles are more suited for the amateurs not for the pros.
     
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  7. Santiago

    Santiago Active Member Full Member

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    Brother, your infos are wrong, the Cubans who defected, where almost all winners - which doesn't mean that they will become all world champions - in pro boxing ... Just look at the records:

    Jorge Luis Hernandez (lost a world championship fight)
    Urtiminio Ramos (pro World champion)
    Ramon Ledon (lost a world championship fight)
    Diosbelys Hurtado (pro World champion)
    Rolando Garbey (lost a world championship fight)
    Eliseo Castillo (lost a world championship fight)
    Eliecer Castillo (lost a world championship fight)
    Yoel Casamayor (pro World champion)
    Juan Carlos Gomez (pro World Champion)

    and all have at least an 80% victory rate ...

    ...but if you take a look at the new crop of fighters:

    the best (Gamboa, Rigondeaux, Brunet Zamora, Peter Quillin, Mike Perez, Luis Garcia, Alexei Acosta, Pedro Carrion, Despaigne, Johnson, Solis, Barthelemy, Abril, Stalin Lopez, Santana ...) are or undefeated or have at least an 80% victory rate ...

    Thus in my view their style is very much appropriate for professional boxing ...:bbb
     
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  8. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well the 80% victory rate is overrated cause a lot of those fights were against lower level fighters. Also i didnt say they werent going to do good cause they will. There's a lot of talent in cuba also in baseball and other sports. But they will not take over boxing like some people think. There are more Dyobellis Hurtado in cuba than there are joel casamayor. Hurtado was great amateur fighter but his style was perfect for amateur. Hit and dont get hit and run around. In the pros you have to be physical and strong. You have to be able to fight on the inside and trade with your oponent. This is where the cubans fighters fall short cause they havent been trained for this. In PR mexico and other countries even the amateurs train like profesionals. They get taught from an early age to hit the body, and to fight on their toes without jumping around. In cuba is all about movement hit and get points and to jump around the ring moving without stoping for a second to trade punches.
     
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  9. manhattanboxer3

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    Despaigne and Yudel Johnson are both taking good steps up.
     
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  10. Santiago

    Santiago Active Member Full Member

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    Sorry a rate cannot be overrated, it is a dry number, the skills of a boxer could be overrated, (e.g. Juanma's :yep). As for Hurtado, I would not say that he was unsuccesful, as he became WBA world champion, and has 3 defeats in almost 40 fights, when he met the cream of the cream of his weight class. Add to this that he was one of the most avoided fighters for years, ....and yes the Cubans are trained to try to hit without being hit themselves a la Ali, Sugar Leonard, Kid Chocolate, etc, which is if you agree a more intelligent way of fighting ...
     
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  11. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With your reasoning a fighter that fights top competition all the time and gets two losses in his record is a worst fighter than another fighters that fights tomato cans all the time. Records dont tell the whole story and like i said cuban boxing style is taylor made for the amateurs the pros is a whole different story
     
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  12. Santiago

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    Well the examples I put in my previous mail are just counter examples for your reasoning. Hurtado in particular, your example for demonstrating why the Cuban style is not appropriate for pro boxing, fought the cream of the cream in his weight class (Pernell Whitaker, Augustus, Kostya Tszyu, Mayorga, Bailey, etc) and I repeat became a WBA World Champion. His current record read 42-3. Sorry he was at the top of the food chain. And take this with the same "amateur Cuban style" was throughfully defeating the great Pernell Whitaker, a boxer many consider the best boxer of his generation, until he got KO-ed by the end of that fight. Sorry your example was a wrong one.
     
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  13. h2hkiller

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    God, I'd love it if there was a Yuriorkis Gamboa type fighter for every weight class. That would revive boxing for sure.
     
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  14. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you dont get the point.. if you look at hurtados record it looks impresive with only three loses and you mention who he fought a nice list but the thing is he lost to all of those you mentioned except bailey who wasnt anybody anyways....who he did he beat that was any good.. tell me
     
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  15. Santiago

    Santiago Active Member Full Member

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    Again you are wrong my friend. From the ones I mentioned he defeated also Augustus, and was not defeated by Mayorga (it was a draw, headbutt) , ...and therefore his record doesn't only looks impressive, it is impressive.
     
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