Gamboa is only the tip of the Iceberg

lol now thats funny.. you're counting a draw with mayorga, and augustus as great on his resume.. he was good not great and couldnt beat the top fighters he fought now thats the bottom line but you can belive what you want bro if it makes you feel better.. the best boxer to come out of cuba recently was joel casamayor now he fought the best and did good .... but still he wasnt the best at his weight class..

 

yeah a couple of months until he fought popo freitas

 

No, you are not " glad ". I have'nt seen many Boricuas and Mexicans " glad " about more and more Cuban boxers defecting. The reason? PARTY IS OVER.

You see, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, USA, DR and other professional boxing Countries have been fighting each other but the main powerhouse CUBA has not been there. The only time that the World got a " glimpse " at the Cuban boxers was when the Olympics or World Championships arrived. The outcome was simply always the same. Cuba #1 in Gold...

That same reason had people talking and asking themselves if the Cubans were to fight professionally how well will they perform...Joel Casamayor, Diosbelys Hurtado, Juan Carlos Gomez and Yuriorkis Gamboa have answered those questions... ( Gamboa is still on the process )...

A lot of people including you Puertorricane, say that the Cuban boxing style is not good simply because the Cubans have mastered the art of " hit and not get hit " which is in reality what boxing is all about! They see the Cubans moving and dodging punches inside the ring and immediately think that their style is not suited for the pros when in reality that's the way it should be done!

Boxing is not about hitting each other like a street brawl " Mexican style " it's about technique and skills. The Cubans are simply the best at that department as they have been taught that art from a very young age back in Cuba. That's why they win so many Golds and are the most successful Country in amateur boxing.

My friend, how many boxers do you think that the PuertoRiqueños for example have today competing in the pros? I don't really know for sure as it's very hard to tell but I will give a " rough estimate ". If the total Boricua population is about 10 Million ( including PRs in USA and in the Island ), and they love boxing so much I would say that there has to be at least between 150 to 200 Boricuas campaigning in the pros. Now let's take a look at how many Cubans are campaigning in the pros...

From the past defectors there were only around 12 which 3 became World Champions. From the current defectors there are approximately 15 or 16, so by comparison the there are hundreds of PuertoRiqueños campaigning at the pros compared to less than 20 Cubans!!!

The vast majority of Cuban boxers ( 95 % ) are on the Island. The reason is because only a few want to risk defecting and leaving everything behind including their family, kids etc etc and the Communist Goverment will make their familie's live a living hell if they defect...

In conclusion, the Cuban style is just as good for the pros as anybodie's style, I would say even better. When Cuba frees itself, that hit and run style that you say will possibly be abolished and the Cubans will start to learn the more professional style just like before Fidel. As for now, just sit back and enjoy " or hate " how the Cubans will start grabbing World Titles, the party is over...And possibly they will keep on defecting in vast numbers... :-(

PRs and Mexicans have been very good so far and I am not taking away their credit, now with the Cubans the competition is really becoming interesting. And with just around 15 Cuban defectors, it will be enough to grab at least 7 or 8 World Titles, we don't need " hundreds " of boxers but if we had our full Island competing, WE WOULD HAVE A WORLD CHAMPION IN EVERY SINGLE WEIGHT CLASS, statement made by Joel Casamayor...

God Bless...

 

Hola Santiago! It's me " Black Bill ", I changed my profile to " Gamboa Express "... Saludos!!!

 

I didn't know Despaigne turned pro. I haven't seen him since the amateurs but i have a hard time believeing that he's now a LHW, he wasn't the biggest MW in the ams.

 

1-Cuba always first because they use the same boxers year after year, while the best boxers of countries like PR, mexico, USA, venezuela, and other boxing countries turn pro at 17 or 18 yrs old. You think felix savon would've won that many golds if he had to fight mike tyson, or lennox lewis at their prime.

2-Second the only thing hurtado, gomez and casamayor proved was that the best of the best in cuba are average when they have to fight profesional boxers close to their age. Hurtado lost to every top fighter he faced. Gomez was a good cruiserweight but an average heavyweight. Joel casamayor was one of the best but he lost to most of the top fighters he faced.

3-Third i agree the science of boxing is hit and not get hit. But you can do that without running away. Running wont work in the pros for 10 to 12rds you need to keep a good distance to hit the body.

4-Fourth they win a lot of golds cause their style is taylor made for the amateurs plus the advantage they have in age and experience.

5-Name the 200 professional puertorrican boxers i would like to know them.

6-With so many belts is easy to become a world champions now a day. John Ruiz has been champion for a long time that tells you all you need to know about belts.

7- Joel casamayor had an amateur career as good as any cuban boxer in history and still in the pros he didnt dominated. He became champion a good one but he lost to most of the top fighters he faced. If one of best of the best from cuba like casamayor couldnt dominate what makes you think other ones will just because they won gold medals.

 

My friend, Casamayor believe it or not had a fighter in Cuba that always beat him. I don't remember his name though...He was not the best in Cuba, one of the best yes...And El Cepillo was " badly robbed against Freitas, Castillo and Corrales ", the rest of the junior lightweights he defeated including Corrales ( twice ), Garcia, Santos, Baek, Campbell, Katsidis etc...

Hurtado was " easily defeating Whitaker " but got KO'ed at the end, but demonstrated that the Cubans can dominate any so called P4Pounder in pro boxing. He also almost TKO'ed Kostya Tzyu ( he fought him with just 2 weeks notice and after fighting 2 weeks before ), and yes he did lost fair and square against Vivian Harris. But did you know that Hurtado was " a little above average in Cuba "? He was never an Olympic Gold medalist like the others were...Just a good Cuban fighter...

Gomez is considered one of the " best cruiserweight Champs of all times ", not said by me but by the boxing experts. He and Holyfield are considered the best Cruiser Champions. He did'nt do well in the HV's as he did'nt have the size and power and dedication but he defended his WBC 10 times...

When I have time, I will make a list of all the great Cuban amateur fighters that also won " Gold " at a very young age, I will put that myth away that Cubans win because of their experience...Just wait for the list soon.

I said that PR " must have " around 150 to 200 boxers campaigning in the pros because PR is a free country and loves boxing. How many do you think you guys have? Definitely way more than Cuba that's for sure!!!

God Bless...

 

if he beats juanmna convincingly in the future...gamboa has the moldings to replace pac in the future!

 

Ok so why casamayor was in the olympic team and not that other guy that always beated him.

I said casamayor was good you can even consider him great. But he didnt dominate and he was the best cuba has to offer in terms of his backround he was one of the best in cubas team. And who the hell are those guys you mention they're nobody and other than corrales he lost to all the top guys.

Dont get me wrong i know that cubans boxers have a lot of talent everybody knows that. I'm glad they are getting a chance to fight at the profesional level to prove themselves. Especially at the higher weight classes since us latinos never had great boxers at those weights. Cubans bigs are good boxers not just big guys like we usually see. But cuba wont take over profesional boxing like some people think. They'll win their share of titles and lose some just like mexico, PR, usa and other boxing countries.

 

Ok. Santiago, I am very happy cubans are waking up and escaping the Castro's regime. But come on man!!!! You are making it sounds like cuban are going to dominate the damn planet. Yes there are a few good ones. Yes, some of them will be good champion. OF COURSE THE AVERAGE IS GOOD!!!! ONLY THE GOOD ONES MAKE THE TEAMS AND GET THE CHANCE TO ESCAPE!!!! Let all who want to become professional fighter do it, and the average will not be so good. SO, the AVERAGE, is BS.
Are we going to see some good cuban champions??? Yes, we will.
Is Cuba losing their dominance at amateur boxing? Yes, they are. Because boxers want to become pro's and make money. So, Cuba will not have so many "amateurs" with more ring experience pro's.
Is Cuba going dominate the sport? NO

 

By the way, the guy who defeated Gamboa twice for the national champion was Yan Barthelemy. Yan already has 2 losses in his record including one by KO. Just saying.....

 

Don't forget Peres who fights out of Ireland (must have taken the wrong boat...)

 

Guillermo Rigondeaux, his amateurrecord is 243 - 4 losses, 2 gold medals, and last time he lost was like 200 fights ago.