Wow this has to be the most even poll I have ever seen. Its literally been dead tied up every time I look at it. It will be very interesting to do another one in a few months after they both fight again
You can't be serious You need to watch some Naseem Hamed from early in his career. You don't get much more evasive mate. The only thing working in Gamboa's favour in this regard, is that his competition has been stronger at this early stage of his career.
Hamed was very difficult to catch properly early in his career, he also used to throw combinations and be patient in getting the opening. His power of course was something else. Early in that clip montage you see a guy in Blue shorts being caught with a left hook, his knees bend and Hamed does a little "****ing the air" celebration before flattening him. That was in the second round of a featherweight contest and the guy is Sergio Liendo. Well up two weight divisions at lightweight Liendo went 8 rounds with Katsidis and retired with an injured hand. It gives an idea of how hard Hamed hit, he also starched guys like Angeles in 2 rounds who then went the 12 with Morales. He was such a talent, but fell in love with his power and let his arrogance go from being cartoon and salesmanship to genuine conceit. Abandoned his boxing to look for a bomb in every fight, split with the coach who had been with him since 7 and stopped training properly. And paid the price by becoming a slugger who was outboxed in his biggest moment and had no hunger to come back and prove himself.
deal:deal Excellent post mate. You should post about boxing more often, you probably know more than the rest of the lounge rats combined:yep
Great post, Strike. Calling Gamboa better than Hamed is utterly ridiculous and premature at this point.
Hamed could have also fought more conservatively and not get hit as often. People forget hamed commited to his punches, which makes you more open. Gamboa cannot fight like Hamed , no one can. Hamed fought 10 formwer/current champs. Thats a healthy 3rd of his opposition, so his opponents were good enough.
Hamed was my favorite fighter as a kid after Tyson and I've seen around 20 of his fights. I still love watching him fight every once in a while, I'm not trying to bash him. All the Liendo example speaks about is Hamed's power, something I've already said is better than Gamboa's (and better than pretty much any fighter FW and under). They both have elite level natural talent, but judging by overall ability, I believe Gamboa is slightly superior and he's also calmer in the ring than Hamed was, mentally stronger. Maybe I'll be wrong, but I don't think Gamboa would have dropped rounds or struggled the way Hamed did against some of his B level competition. I guess what I meant to say is that I think Gamboa uses his natural abilities in a more effective way and time will prove this. Hamed's abilities such as timing/accuracy were great too (and underrated by a lot of people), but he had slower handspeed than Gamboa, slightly worse/slower reflexes, was less relaxed (I consider this a natural ability), had a worse chin, didn't throw punches with as impressive of a natural flow as Gamboa, and I think when Gamboa matures and improves his defense, he'll be much less hittable than Hamed ever was. Gamboa took more risks in the Jiminez fight than Hamed would against an opponent like that. He could have fought him more defensively and gotten hit less than half as much, but instead he chose to ignore defense and go all out looking for an impressive KO without getting it.
Former/current champions or not, he never beat an elite fighter (I'm not saying he couldn't, because he would be a very tough matchup for a lot of elites throughout history who had very vulnerable chins or styles). This is of course true if you don't count fighters like Kelley, Johnson, and Medina as elites.. Johnson comes close but I don't think he is. And Hamed fought like "no one can", but his talent level has been seen a number of times in boxing. There have been more naturally talented fighters who also had great technical skills to go along with their talent and sometimes strange styles. Also, Hamed committed to punches, which made him more open, but against Jiminez, Gamboa simply did not get out of the way of his opponent's punches. He didn't care about getting hit the least bit.
Which B level comp did Hamed struggle against? The only B level fighter I can think of him dropping a round to was Alicea and he got knocked over when leaning back almost like he was doing the limbo, and then he KO'd him in the next round. Gamboa just dropped a round to a B level fighter, in fact that is being generous, Jiminez is not B level.