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Have we ever really had good 50/50 fights on undercards. Its eddies job to keep them undefeated for as long as possible. Thats nothing new tho promoters have always done that. As a promoter of a stable hes trying to build he cant always have them in 50/50 fights. Tbf when he gets them built up he puts them in 50/50 fights like usyk v joshua.

What fights do you want to see? We,ve had joshua v klitchko, fury v wilder 3 times. Joshua v usyk. Whyte v the rest of the division. Chisora v the rest of the division
Parkers been active. A lot of guys are active. We,ve never had so much boxing. Its just not realistic to expect every fight to be a 50/50 fight. Its never really happened...especially when building fighters records. But the rest of boxing has started seeing more and more big names fighting each other...before the corona virus anyway...but like been done before they need to get to a certain level before them 50/50 fights. Thats not just the eddie hearn model tho thats what most promoters have always done.

Personally i think eddies cutting costs on undercards etc since he started. By all means give him some stick for it...we do need to hold him to account otherwise knowing him he will probably try to drop it further. But at the same time the level of stick he gets is ridiculous. Bordering on pathetic.

 

I agree with a lot of what @bbjc is saying.

We are, for the most part, hardcore boxing fans. We expect a lot, and Matchroom are the best at selling crap / mediocrity as top level. This annoys us, and I sympathise with a lot of those who feel this way.

At the same time, reading this board is at times difficult because of the double standards employed by a lot of posters. Let me give you an example of what I mean.

I thought the weekend show at the O2 was poor, due to less than ideal circumstances. I didn't think it was worth watching. I had cancelled my DAZN sub after the Liverpool card, did not re-sub, and did not watch the show.

Yet when I look at this forum the next day, a lot of the usual "Matchroom are failing" "Eddie is a charlatan" "this card is a disgrace" "DAZN are about to implode" people were clearly watching the show. I know they were probably watching pirate streams, but the mentality confuses me - it's not like there is nothing better to do on a Saturday night, even if you were staying in.

If you think the product is ****, ignore it. Don't spend time arguing over it and then watching it.

 

DAZN is broadcasting in multiple territories, maybe that's a factor in putting the cards together? Maybe Molina, past his best but once relatively high profile as a former opponent of Wilder and Joshua was considered to retain some 'name' recognition which would make the card more appealing to US subscribers? However clever the thinking may or may not have been it was all for nought when the shambolic mess stepped in the ring. One of the worst displays I've ever witnessed.

 

Well ths forum wouldn't be much kop of people ignored such stuff would it

Your mentality confuses me tbh

Why stop watching a sport you love because somebody decides to change it up to the point it upsets a person?

You dont, what you do is complain somehow

I mean, when football clubs are run badly should the fans just ignore it and do something else on a Saturday?

 

Hearn didnt put AJ in against Usyk

That was a mandatory and the other choice was to drop the WBO

Building fighters records is all good and and i understand it

Dont put it a show however alongside 4 or 5 other fights of a similar nature

Remember during lock down?, fight camp

Hearn dedicated a whole section of an interview with Kugan and told us the pandemic changes everything
No more easy fights gonna be sold

Dont moan at me for bringing it up
He tried selling it as such

Again not my words, his

 

My own football club have had ownership issues in recent years, and here's what I did:

1: Engaged with the future of the club, but stopped doing anything to benefit the current owners. I cancelled my season ticket, bought no more merchandise, and joined groups protesting the ownership.
2: I watched local non-league football in person when I needed to scratch the itch. Fortunately my club's issues were sorted and I am now willing to go back there.

Football is a different beast to boxing, of course. I get that if you're a fan of a particular boxer / top level of a division, you'll watch that event regardless of undercard. I was withering about the undercard for AJ-Usyk, for example, but I was not going to miss the main event for anything.

Saturday night was not such an event. Unless I've misread the forum, I don't think we have too many passionate fans of Chantelle Cameron, Johnny Fisher or Alen Babic here.

So my mentality for boxing is: when a promoter you dislike serves up a **** card, just ignore it and watch another. Reward them with your attention when they deserve it, look elsewhere when it doesn't.

There are small hall shows all over the UK. If you prefer to watch from home, subscribe to Fightzone.

Feel absolutely free to moan about it on the forum, I understand that part. I just don't understand those who moan about it, say it's not worth watching, but then spend their Saturday nights watching it.

 

Same way football fans moan about the game but still go anyway

Its because we love the sport

I did pretty much the same as you in regards to my own team years back


I bet you still watched them in some way though? If you say you didn't I'll honestly in the nicest way possible not believe you

Tried fightzone, it was ok all things considered but seems to have stalled

You notice i dont moan about them?
They dont lie and try and pull the wool over my eyes as a fan and therfore my expectations stay as they were meant to

And in regards to Saturday, sure i doubt there was many fans of the boxers you mention

But its Octs 2nd UK offering only and if you offer one or two shows a month for a subscription based service, then you better make them good shows no?

We'll just agree to disagree but if someone offers me X Y Z for a set price and dont deliver i will question and criticise them

 

Appreciate the respectful response mate.

With regards to the football, I didn't watch any of their live televised matches during that period (in fact I didn't have any pay TV at the time) though I did invariably end up seeing some goal clips via social media etc.

The only point I'd want to add is on re the boxing is on your last sentence - I'd add "I won't subscribe and I won't watch". Ultimately that's the only currency that'll affect any boxing promoter or broadcaster.

 

Harrison v Williams was a dreadful fight which if anything turned people off boxing.

AJ v Whyte delivered.

 

Not many mate. Dubois Vs Joyce off the top of my head in the last 2 years, Yarde Vs Arthur, probably a handful more that I can't recall. Incidentally, the two above fights were ones I was very nterested in and didn't have to fork out for on top of my telly subscription.

It can be done, but promoters prefer ripping us off.

 

Hes such a ***** and his stable is even weaker now than when he had Froch, Brook and Barker when he first started.

 

Wasn’t there a decent undercard for AJ - Whyte as well?

 

Also what is with the 'Hearn is charging £7.99 a month' or 'Hearn is bringing ppv to DAZN' ?

Eddie Hearn does not run DAZN. If or when DAZN buy BT Sport are people going to say "Hearn brings EPL football to DAZN"?

Hearn maybe a powerful boxing promoter but boss of a global streaming platform he is not.

 

It was a British Title Fight on Sky Box Office - shame on Earn the biggest scammer seen

 

Is it not shame on Sky? Any ppv on sky was signed off by sky.

I would still argue the people that paid to watch AJ v Whyte felt a lot happier afterwards than those who watched Harrison v Williams on terrestrial TV.

Whatever itv paid to broadcast that fight was too much.

Also not sure if you understand what a scam is? A scam is when people have been fooled into using there money under false pretences and then not getting what they paid for.

Nobody is buying a sky box office ppv under false pretences. AJ v Whyte was sold as what it was, a British Title Fight and people had free choice to buy or not. One could argue not worth the money but a scam it certainly wasn't.