Gameplan to beat Canelo?

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  1. FloydPatterson

    FloydPatterson Boxing Addict banned

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    The kid is no longer green. How do you stop him.
     
  2. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    Pressure. He got hit a lot when the other fighter steps up the pace. Even Mosley was having some success landing later in the fight and Mosley is shot.

    What happened to Williams was unfortunate, but I thought Williams could beat Canelo if not for the accident.
     
  3. FloydPatterson

    FloydPatterson Boxing Addict banned

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    Yeah, I noticed that his handspeed and punch rate are pretty average. Very obvious in the Mosley fight.
     
  4. Ali_

    Ali_ Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The guy as 50+ fights and his style of boxing isn't that good.
    Has he had some fight after Mosley that you have seen that I havent? Or two or three?

    He isn't hard to fight at all, he has almost no style to worry about at all. Out point him and leave it at that.
     
  5. Chrisgabriel

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    I think even Kirkland whoops him.
     
  6. Thaiad24

    Thaiad24 Active Member Full Member

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    punch his face till he cant stand up anymore
     
  7. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Vernon Forrest would have had a field day with him
     
  8. Mega Lamps

    Mega Lamps Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I too gave Williams an excellent chance of winning. He quite possibly would have beaten Canelo by stoppage or just outworked him to a decision.
     
  9. JMP

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    +1. Canelo wasn't in that class. A solid and consistently-thrown jab from the outside followed by hard right hands and counter uppercuts would have spelled trouble for Canelo's stationary and low-output style.

    I still find it hard to think that Forrest isn't around anymore. At the time of his murder, I still felt he had a decent amount left in the tank.
     
  10. Bogotazo

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    I can see two ways of doing it, and both take advantage of his stiff upper body, which is his major defensive flaw, as his guard and punching form is pretty tight.

    One way is to pressure him. The fighter would have to be defensively responsible and keep a low center of gravity behind a tight guard, and throw to the body and head to lower his guard and create openings. He has been shown to be pretty ineffective going backwards when pressed (Gomez, Cotto, even that moment against Mosley), so a strong infighter should be able to neutralize his offense by folding him up and misplacing his feet while creating opportunities for his own.

    Another way would be to get a very mobile fighter to turn him, feint, and throw quick combinations through his high guard (similar to what Pacquiao and Cotto did to Margarito.) He's an efficient aggressor, but he doesn't seem overly quick of foot and seems most at home throw sharp punches he knows can land against a fighter that stands right in front of him; turning him would take him out of that comfort zone.
     
  11. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Movement, angles, speed, intensity. He's like Cotto, high ring IQ and good read of opponent, but average reflexes and stamina. Give him no rhythm or pattern, use in-out attacks and side steps, make him adjust all the time and you'll leave him confused and fatigued. The Pacquiao style is the Canelo kryptonite, it's a puzzle he can't solve and that makes the whole system panic.
     
  12. Vergilius

    Vergilius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Be like water, be like a bamboo.
     
  13. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    In and out movement or make him work while pressuring him. Smart pressure of course.
     
  14. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Box and move. He's flat footed.
     
  15. Philly-Tough

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    Make him walk into your shots, don't let him see the punches like Mosley did. For me a healthy, 100% Kirkland could do this emphaitcally