Yeah, possibly. Do you think the illness messed him up ? Not sure Chageav was even much good to start with though. Haye just wasn't good enough. His effort was normal for him, just fighting at a higher level for a change.
He was a fat lazy slob by the looks of it. I can't much respect a boxer who allows himself to get so horribly out of condition. It's perhaps worse when he's actually got some skill and talent. Where's his professional pride when he waddling into the ring looking like that ? What's his excuse ?
Garcia was actually rated very highly at the beginning of that year (1993), and touted as a viable challenger for new champions Bowe (WBA/IBF) and Lewis (WBC). His world came crashing down around him when he fought Mike Dixon though : [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyHViIvrcTs[/ame] Then came the defeat to Lane two fights later. Shocking year for Garcia.
He certainly looked the part of a good fighter. I remember his fight with Buster D and being surprised at his poor record, he ended up knocking Douglas out right at the bell and being DQ'd :yep.
I'm no expert, but I always felt it was his injury rather than his illness that put him back. Certainly he looked less than himself versus Skelton and Drummond, whatever the reason. I think he's #3 since Lewis's retirement. How good that makes him is another matter.... You can't respect him? Magna's already said, he would take on anyone at short notice. What's no to respect about that? Why all the disrespect and running him down? Guy had balls of steel. Guy takes chances with his life as a professional loser and gives world class fighters a turn. He finished his career badly out of shape. Lots of fighters do, that doesn't mean you turn on them.
Yeah, Chagaev was decent. I think he's still probably capable of giving any of them out there a decent argument, barring the Klitschkos. He may be faded, but hard to say by how much. He obviously never made the effort to be in any sort of shape, to keep the weight off. He was never in decent fighting trim, so no free passes for putting on a few pounds at the tail end of his career. Even a non-boxer average Joe shouldn't really let himself get out of condition like that. For someone who's a professional boxer, it's not really acceptable, IMO. There's nothing good about being a "professional loser" when if he made the effort to get into shape he might be a winner. Of course he would take on anyone at short notice. He obviously didn't believe in the concept of getting in shape, so what difference would it make to him ? Not much I guess. He was a tough guy, a respectable sparring partner. But that's not a true professional.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXWTbM843Ko[/ame] Monaco exposed a few washed up champions and padded up fighters in his day. Aside from the Douglas fight, he scored wins over a horribly fat Michael Dokes and Tyson opponents Kevin McBride & Peter McNeeley. The toughest of the journeymen of the 90s had to be Marion Wilson, with Ross Puritty following closely behind. Wilson was never knocked out in 57 fights against the top class fighters of his day. He upset some decent guys, like Mike Hunter, and made it close with many of his opponents. Sedreck Fields was another Chagaev "opponent" that had respectable skills for a journeyman. Ruslan was brought along the right way, unfortunately we no longer have journeymen like these around nowadays. Just tomato cans looking for the quick way out.
Obviously he did, or he would have weighed 320 for every fight? That doesn't even make any sense. But forget about it, i'm not going to argue with you, you don't respect him because he was fat, that's ludicrous but you're entitled.
I tend to agree. Just stepping stone fighters who were dangerous and inconsistent depending on how round they were or what kind of mood they were in. They didnt bother to train, and just were there for the payday. Some fights they were more inspired to get into shape but for the most part lazy underachievers that really shouldnt be classified as anything more. Guys like Bert Cooper, Garing Lane, Lionel Butler, Jesse Ferguson, all somewhat in the same category and you saw a few of them hang in with some decent fighters when they bothered to train, so you know they never consistently gave it their best. Lane was knocked out by Buster Mathis Jr late in a fight, what does that tell you about the guy? Lazzzzzzzyyy.
also like to add zuri lawrance...bit more than a journeyman and more of a 00's fighter but gave some heart attacks to some and was a dangerous fighter in terms of wileyness and cageyness.. a boring fight but his win over jameel mcline is pretty impressive he is a teacher i hear. good for him
Look how inconsistent his weight was over the course of his career. He was never fit or trim looking so I dont think he ever really made a commitment to stay in shape. Guys like Lane come into the gym and hit the bag and spar but thats it. Ive seen it first hand, Lane trained down here. They dont do roadwork, they dont jump rope. Pretty typical really. Look at James Toney he was the same way towards the end of his career and it showed in his belly right?
He was fat at 270, he was always fat, and he made no real effort to keep the weight off and went up to 320. Anyone who puts on 50 + pounds of fat is not making a reasonable effort (barring perhaps persons who unfortunately suffered from injury or illness that force them inactive). For an active professional boxer it is downright disgraceful, that's the truth. "Ludicrous" to expect a professional boxer to make an effort to be in some sort of shape before he enters the ring ? I don't respect him much as a fighter because he shows a blatant and unmistakable lack of professionalism. You can deny it or act like I'm talking crazy, but it's obviously the truth. The guy didn't really bother to train, and probably ate all sorts of crap and lots of it, and waddles into the ring out of shape just about every fight, and usually loses (usually to a better conditioned man who's not burdened by 40 - 80 pounds excess flab).
Yeah, Toney was fat. What is Lane's job as a journeyman "loser"? To try, and to be willing. Guy fought just about anyone they would put in front of him and usually did his best. I can name champions that can't say as much, and I certainly think attitude in the ring is more important than training properly, perhaps even for a champion or contender but most especially for a fighter of this type. Obviously it should go without saying (though it apparently doesn't) that Lane being in shape would be better than Lane not being in shape.