That's about right. The only thing you've left out is that guys like Peter and Solis have six weeks notice on camps, the best training, people looking after their strength conditioning and diets, Lane, by comparison, has an awful lot less, as well as not having that level of skill and ability. To judge by some of the responses in this thread though, he's a pitiful fighter giving non-efforts and disrespecting and embarrassing the sport by taking on an amatuer world champion after nine months out and out of shape. Ho-hum.
Lane was in terrible shape, almost every fight. Some fights he looked in bad shape for an average Joe, never mind a fighter. Do you think Sam Peter was that badly out of shape against Wlad ? [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqIDl-_5HZY[/ame]
Galento and Toney were notorious lazy fat bums, so what's your point ? Lane was even more out of shape, and his results were worse.
That their being out of shape doesn't in and of itself disqualify them form respect. ...obviously, he's not quite as good as a fighter as they are.
You have to be a bit of a ***** to give a damn whether he was in shape or not. The fighter we're talking about is someone who sparred and boxed for fun and the money, and probably hit the buffet immediately after another contest taken on short notice, win or lose. He was a tough guy who could give most contenders a work-out, not a prospect marketed as a future hope of the heavyweight division. Even then he was able to show up in similar condition as Peter, Solis, Arreola who on the other hand were taken seriously by the public yet evidently did not take themselves seriously by showing up at 260+ pounds of lard. With months of training and millions of dollars for motivation, they still found ways to sneak into McDonald's and avoid training that was planned out for them by trainers, advisors and management. It's good that Arreola has turned it around though, finally.
The guy was 5'10 and consistently fought over 280. You pick the one fight he was in some sort of shape? That just proves he was lazy and not committed. He should have fought in the 220's not the 320's
I don't understand the vitriol from you two - yeah, he was out of shape, in this thread he's been called just about every name under the sun for it. We all agree, he was out of shape. It happened a lot. For me, I think it's interested to see him in shape for the purposes of the thread (As it was originally conceived as to opposed to this bizarre running battle) and I think it would be more in keeping to thank GreatA for posting it, not attack him for taking part in an argument that you guys seem absolutely determined to have for no particular reason.
I'm not dying to argue at all. I think you are being incredibly argumentative, as usual. And you are going against all your good sense to make a contrary point to mine. It's obvious to anyone who honestly follows boxing (or any sport) that an athlete who doesn't bother to get into shape at all is taking the **** : wasting himself and making a mockery of the sport. End of. For your to try to wriggle and contradict such common sense is remarkable. It's not even up for dispute. You are now trying to take my statement out of context and twist it. Of course, it takes balls and a special quality to get in the ring and give your all, that's why I call Lane a respectable tough guy. BUT it takes hours upon hours, years after years, of sacrifice, to dedicate your life to being in top shape for fighting. To be a truly respectable professional it takes a combination of both elements.
OK, well inspite of the fact that I find that objectionable, i'm just going to leave it - I hope this puts your mind at ease in terms of my being argumentative. I don't want to argue with you about Lane and whether or not we should respect him. I think it's spoiled what was a fun thread and would like to leave it be.
Why does it have to be proven when nobody ever questioned it? I just don't see the issue here. The guy did not put in much work in the gym yet he was able to show up in the type of shape that many heavyweight fighters insist is a "good, strong weight" for them. Think of Danny Williams for example, who turned up to fight Vitali Klitschko at 270 pounds or Kirk Johnson. These are the guys who deserve the criticism, because as I said, they are taken seriously by the public as heavyweight contenders worthy of a title shot. You did not see Lane out there calling for a heavyweight title shot, claiming he could beat anybody, and then turning up in woeful condition. People are just being argumentative for no reason whatsoever.
Jesus Christ Unforgiven, what is wrong with you? Everybody knows he was out of shape - you just have to look at him. We all agree upon it. I don't understand why you have such a bee in your bonnet about it, or why you are in such hysterics about it all. Why not just accept that guys like myself and GreatA respect the fighter, why give it this hammer? Is it so important?
It's things like this that make me question whether you've ever actually thrown a punch in anger, let alone in a boxing ring.
Im not really argueing with you. I respect any man for getting in there and fighting. Ive seen it all with these type of guys. Some train hard and try their best but are perennial losers, and some guys like Lane showed up and take things half assed. More concerned with making a few bucks than actually accomplishing anything as a fighter or bothering to get into condition. Ive seen guys take a fight with no training at all, nothing, not in the gym for months but offered a fight and took it. Realistically thats what kind of fighter Lane was, and finished with a career mark of 22-39 because of that. Just being realistic, Lane was no hidden mismanaged jewel, he was a lazy fat guy with some balls that liked to fight.