Gary Shaw admits the plan was all wrong: "...

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  1. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "we kept telling him to box, but after watching him in rounds 10, 11 and 12, trading with Froch, it is clear we should have traded from round one."

    Discuss!
     
  2. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Not trade, but FIRE and move.
     
  3. dbouziane

    dbouziane ............. Full Member

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    he fights the way he did in the last rounds, the fight doesnt go the distance. he exposes himself to froch's very limited but powerful skill set but at the same time i feel he could have stopped froch based on how he handled himself in those rounds. froch was hurt at one point.
     
  4. lv lurker

    lv lurker fly on the wall Full Member

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    If he were a little more active, they couldn't have taken it from him like they did. He won in my eyes and even though I feel he outclassed Froch, he should have done more to separate himself from his opponent.
     
  5. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    He shoud have kept the fight in the middle of the ring instead of backing himself up against the ropes all the time. Froch didn't let him do that but maybe with a more solid gameplan he would have been able.
     
  6. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    I agree what Shaw said in a way. I still feel Dirrell won the fight by 5 rounds and 1 even. But if Dirrell would trade more then the 10th, 11th, 12th he would have tko Froch like in the 8th. Froch is too slow to thorw something in return. If they face each other again in the finals, i think Dirrell this time won't hold alot and trade a bit more. Don't trade all the time but trade a bit more cause he does have the pop the amazing speed to tko Froch.
     
  7. juanitoboxing

    juanitoboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with Gary Shaw, Direll needed to trade more and he would've KO'd Froch.
     
  8. nipplefloss

    nipplefloss Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They bought into the hype about Froch being a massive puncher with a granite chin and Dirrell was understandably cautious about the supposed step up in class. He didn't realize until too late that Froch is a bum.

    At any rate boxing Froch is the smarter move since it takes away his only chance to win, which is a catching him with some winging punches. Dirrell's big issue was his lack of experience showing when he complained to the ref instead of defending himself and held instead of clinching properly. Without all of the hugging and flailing about I think he would have gotten the decision even with his relatively low output and keeping distance. Even the holding wasn't as bad as the way he did it, which made him look off balance and more tired than he was. I'm wondering if maybe he hasn't been taught how to clinch properly.

    Hopefully he works on that before his next fight. Kid could be special.
     
  9. lv lurker

    lv lurker fly on the wall Full Member

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    I think I had the fight 7-3 with 2 even rounds in Dirrell's favor. Gotta watch it again and rescore with the point deducted and all. Yeah, he hurt him but I was hoping for him to catch Froch with something he didn't see and put him on his butt. Would have made it much harder for them to score for the hometown guy.
     
  10. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Got a source or just make that up so everybody'd agree?

    Trick is, I don't think Dirrell had really learned how to do what he really needed to do yet; at least not practiced it enough to feel good about it. If this fight was 2, 3 down the road and he'd put away a Miranda or Green, probably a whole different ball game.
     
  11. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    Of course Dirrell could have done something better, but the important thing is that it seems like he got more comfortable later in the fight ad******g his tactics a littel. That proves that he can think which is just as important as all of his other assets, but the quistion to me is how much and how quick he can develop his ring-intelligence and mental strenghts. Alot of this comes with experience, but he needs to really study to become a master. He's still got a long way to good tacticians like Hopkins, Vitali or Calzaghe
     
  12. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I guess when there's no way to get a decision, you might as well go balls to the walls and try to bang the guy out.
     
  13. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not even necessarily "trade". Froch couldn't hit him, so no need to outright trade. Just more aggression, I guess. Hell, some people gave Froch the tenth round, a round in which Dirrell nearly decapitated him. Such were the odds Dirrell was up against in terms of scoring a decision.
     
  14. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    what frustrated me about dirrell was the fact he can do it.

    he can stand in there and fight. :roll:

    watch the hanshaw fight.

    he's a quality attacking boxer when he sets his mind to it. :patsch

    he's got a tough fight with abraham coming up.

    that one could make or break this kid.

    abs is brutal. :scaredas:
     
  15. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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