Gatti vs Ward I,ATG fight,but who won?

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  1. Sweet Pea

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    LaMotta was never a "boxer" per se, so they're not really comparable in that sense. LaMotta was an extremely strong, durable pressure fighter with a relentless pace and body attack. LaMotta also wasn't fighting on the B level circuit, losing badly to every elite fighter he fought. He was a genuine ATG, and one of the best of his era. The same can't be said for Gatti. They're not even remotely comparable.
     
  2. catasyou

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    Neither was Gatti as a full boxer,he was a brawler who used his feet and handspeed when he could,sometimes just boxed really well and sometimes just brawling.I just gave LaMotta as an example,same would go for Zale or Graziano etc.The modern era was what hurt him.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

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    Explain. The 40's and 50's were a much more talent ridden era than the current one, and Zale was a far more skilled and efficient overall fighter than Gatti could've ever hoped to have been, regardless of era. LaMotta was not neccessarily versatile, nor was Graziano, but both were far more effective fighters than the likes of Gatti.
     
  4. catasyou

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    Nobody saw them when they lost to journeyman or no hopers.
     
  5. Sweet Pea

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    That wasn't what I meant when I said "explain". I still don't even quite know what you're getting at.
     
  6. catasyou

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    If everybody saw how those guys lost to journeyman and no hopers they would be saying that they would be very easy to hit,no skills and all the rest
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    The difference is, those guys beat elite fighters as well, and the circumstances for their losses (and the general circumstances for most boxers around that time) were quite a bit different than those of the modern game. Fighters back then were rarely if ever brought up the easy way, most of them were thrown in with the lions, made to build up experience, toughness, craftiness, and resolve on their own, and the ones that perservered through the early stages made it to the next level, many of which became world class fighters and champions. That's the way it was done for most back then, it's also why a lot of the ATG's have a lot of early career losses and inconsistencies in their records. Far less management and sugar coating.
     
  8. catasyou

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    True,that's why you have the majority of ATG's from the old days,but the inconsistencies weren't brought up like now.
     
  9. Nico

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    I've always thought that Gatti should have won this fight on points. He won too many of the early rounds, as well as the tenth, for Ward to overcome the deficit on my scorecard. Even with the point deduction for the low blow, and the 10-8 for the knockdown. But you won't see me complaining about much after two guys put on an incredible show like that for us.