GBP is ruining boxing! Schaefer says Cotto/Canelo still possible.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Hermit, Dec 3, 2012.


  1. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    idk how you keep getting Mayweather out of all of this. You're trying to hype up something that isn't there to suit your case.

    And the reason Arum is greedy and gets the blame is because he's the one who started it with his crappy offer of telling GBP to just hand Mares over. That's the biggest issue right there.
    Then his response to Oscar after he tris to compromise is crap also.

    Do you think Arum's intial demand was fair to have GBP just hand over Mares?
     
  2. Little Pea

    Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan Full Member

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    Keep using "lol".
     
  3. Jack

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    I couldn't care less what either fighter makes. However, a million PPV buys for a fight which would be great is far more beneficial to boxing than what Canelo/Trout would offer.

    The UFC became popular because it gave the fans the fights they wanted to see. Boxing hasn't done that in recent years. Canelo/Cotto is a fight that fans want to see, and it'd be a huge event for the sport.

    For boxing to regain popularity, it has to choose fights which will make a crossover appeal rather than providing 'good' fights.

    When I'm making this argument, it's almost like Cotto is a complete bum who stands no chance against Canelo. That isn't the case at all. It will be a very competitive, entertaining fight and to dismiss Cotto because he lost to Trout and Mayweather is absurd. It's not a bad fight at all and I can't believe anyone would argue it is.
     
  4. Hermit

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    Let's take this one first. I don't think it was a real offer. Again, it was just regurgitating the offer May made to Pac. That is how May gets into this. As stated in my previous post, if you think GBP wasn't in on that, well then, you just aren't thinking it through. This was tit for tat in a battle that now is into the thousands of tits and tats. (if only they would use real tits, but that's another story....)

    There is no evidence that there were ever any real negotiations or legitimate offers from either side. None of this **** said in the press qualifies. Arum promised Martirosyan that he would get the Canelo fight if he beat Lara so Arum will work with GBP when it comes down to it.

    My point about this has always been that accusing Arum of killing the fight wasn't based on fact because there is nothing to indicate any serious attempt at negotiations was ever made. We all know that no serious negotiations would even start until AFTER Donaire's next fight.

    But, if you are GBP then I guess I can see their point. They pick the opponent and stick with him regardless of the fight results? If only there was a thread on that.... :D
     
  5. Hermit

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    Just because Brits empty their wallets for any piece of trash fight involving David Haye doesn't mean the rest of the world operates that way. Cotto is now 0/2 in his last two fights. Both wide decision loses. The only ones wanting this fight is Mexican's hoping Canelo can go all Margo on his axe.
     
  6. Truth is we want this fight. It makes sense too on all sides.

    - Canelo gets to fight a tough proven fighter to prepare himself for a bigger threat.
    - Cotto's chance to redeem himself.
    - Mexico vs. Puerto Rico - it will sell.
    - Cotto coming from a brave attempt against a bigger guy which proves this warrior fights everyone.
    - Show clips of the Trout fight and Cotto's best moments portraying him like a relentless attacker.
    - Then show clips from the Mayweather fight.
    - Have 5 experts talk about how styles make fights and this will be a very intriguing fight. Canelo's toughest challenge to prove he is ready. Many will pick Cotto to pull it off too which will make the fight that much more appealing.
    - Looking at it, this is exactly the fight Canelo needs. He can't be thrown to a Mayweather type fighter until he fights a Cotto.
    - And for Cotto, this is a very winnable fight and perfect situation to solidify his place in boxing history and erase the Trout fiasco.

    ^^ I will email all of thise points to Golden Boy in a professional essay style proposition and bombard them on Twitter with them. They're already leaning on makingit anyways. I'll deliver the final push.
     
  7. Jack

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    The fight would still sell out any arena in America. Whether it's New York or Vegas, there isn't a boxing arena which wouldn't sell out very quickly.

    And Cotto fans shouldn't be looking at it as a fight he can't win. He lost a good fight with Mayweather, the best ****ing fighter in the world, and then dropped a decision to a very good boxer in Trout. Canelo will come to fight and that plays right into Cotto's hands. Is it a fight he'd win? I don't know, but it'd be a great fight either way. Cotto can hurt Canelo and he can stop him. He might be past his peak but he isn't a shot fighter.

    There's not a single problem with this fight. If people who don't understand boxing, like yourself, want to cry about it because Cotto has lost to on the bounce, that's fine. Real boxing fans who understand the sport will buy it and have a great time watching a good, competitive fight.
     
  8. Hermit

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    Yep, just like Margo and Pac all over again. That certainly plays right into Cotto's hands. :rofl
    See above and then look for a mirror. :rofl
     
  9. Hermit

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    Cotto needs to train seriously enough to go down a weight division. Then he might actually be in shape. Therein lies the problem. The fire it takes to do that is gone. Same thing I said about Hatton. If the fire were still there it wouldn't have taken 3+ years to make a return fight.
     
  10. sbbigmike

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    Cotto vs Ortiz:deal
     
  11. audio101

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    Why exactly did Cotto take the fight with Trout? I assume he could of just fought Canelo instead?
     
  12. Atritionist

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    Well this Mexican has no interest in Cotto vs Canelo. Sorry, Trout deserves the Canelo fight.
     
  13. Hermit

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    The belt would have made it a bigger fight financially.
     
  14. Hermit

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    :good
     
  15. Quincy K

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    i normally agree with many of the things that you say but cotto is a cherry pick after losing to trout.

    this will be the third time that canelo, the champion, will be fighting(attamepting to fight) the loser of a fight as opposed to the winner.

    lara/williams(they suspended all three judges and everyone knew lara won that fight).

    cintron/molina

    trout/cotto

    there is no justification for canelo to be fighting blown-up welterweight and past his prime cotto.