GBP is ruining boxing! Schaefer says Cotto/Canelo still possible.

I was having a boxing discussion with a Polish friend of mine at home yesterday and he pretty much told me not to be surprised to see Cotto/Alvarez happen. Now I stumble upon this thread and no, I'm not surprised one bit. Sadly, this is what boxing is turning to, up-comers looking to cash-out before they even start. It's not like Canelo's division is lacking, he has tons of serious opposition to build a real name and career against yet he's cruising out already. Sad stuff to be honest because I would have loved to see Canelo try to unify and fight the likes of Bundrage, Lara, Trout(that's supposed to be his next opponent if he's serious in this sport), Kirkland and others in a stacked division. Don't get me wrong, I'm never against professional boxers looking to make some big money because this is their life/job and it could literally end(not just their careers but lives) within the ring in one fight but cashing out so soon before he even made a career/record is just despicable. If this fight is officially signed I think it's fair to say Canelo is a certified fraud. I'm fully expecting more up-comers to seek the same path now as they notice it's possible, so much for caring about making history and a real mark in the sport.

 

Are you that ******ed or just yet another bored troll? Ward dominated the supersix and unified belts, he deserves a tune-up like Pavlik and Dawson because he earned it. What the hell has Canelo done?, he has done absolutely NOTHING in this sport to even be rated on any sane person's list of legitimate fighters and already he's cashing out. Don't compare Ward to an overprotected fraud like Alvarez who's biggest win is Mathew "****ing" Hatton.

 

but not nearly as credible as trout, molina, lara, vanes, kirkland, rosado or even bundrage.

all these guys are calling him out.

why fight cotto, whos not calling him out and coming off two defeats?

eventually canelo has to step up because hes making everyone that backs him look real bad.

youre the biggest canelo cheerleader here and at times very audacious.

thats going to come back to slap you in the face if and when canelo gets exposed. try to be a little bit more impartial.

 

disagree. hes best win was ryan rhodes.

fwiw, canelo was a -900 in that fight.

most handicappers would think that -200 to -250 would be as high of a favorite to justify a good competitive fight. paq is at -275 as we speak and will probably get down to -225.

cotto went off at about -200 against trout.

 

154 is an absolute kick ass division right now.

canelo, lara, vanes, kirkland, angulo, molina, rosado, bundrage and trout.

they could have an eight man tournamnet and i have no idea who would win it.

the best bet would be that canelo would not win it.

that would probably be offered at even money.

 

I agree with the Trout is about as bankable as Bradley. It has always been that way. When Barkley beat Hearns, Hearns marketability did not transfer to Barkley. And in this case it does not either. Cotto/Canelo looks good on paper, but Cotto lost his last 2 fights. I know at this point I am not too excited about seeing it. It looks like Canelo will stop Cotto in about 8 rounds.

 

I just want to see some unification fights. Only Wlad, Ward and Danny Garcia have unified some of the belts at the moment. All of the other divisions have 4 beltholders per weight class, and frankly it´s ridiculous. Some of these "champions" barely fight a live body 4-5 fights in a row. It´s dreadful.

 

TMT is OWNEDa by GBP, FM doesn't even have a fkn' promoter's license.

 

Canelo fighting Cotto would be a bull**** fight after the two losses.. Hopefully they're putting it out there to see what the response is, and hopefully it's negative overall...

 

Canelo hasn't even fought a legit JMW and they are going to put him in with Trout? No way, no how.

 

Canelo vs. anyone decent is a good thing.

arum ruins boxing imo

 

Part of the problem I have with modern day fans, is how they completely write guys off because of losses. Cotto loses to Mayweather in a good, competitive fight, he loses to Trout in a good fight, and then he's automatically written off. It's bull****. He's still an elite fighter. Many people, and you can go through the threads on this, considered Cotto around 11-15 in the P4P list, even after the Mayweather fight.

...yet he loses a fight and he's not good enough to be put in the ring with Canelo?

Please.

Cotto is an elite fighter. He lost to Trout but you know what? Styles make fights. Trout is very good but he presents and entirely different fight to Canelo. Anyone who is writing Cotto off here is deluded, because he has a very good chance of beating Canelo. He hits harder than people who have hurt Canelo, he boxes better than people who have outboxed him, he has a better jab than Canelo has ever seen - he is, without doubt, the best fighter Canelo would have ever fought.

The way people are talking about Cotto here is a ****ing joke. I saw less anger before the Mosley/Canelo fight, yet Mosley was genuinely shot when that bout happened, whereas Cotto is only past his peak.

Aside from all of that, I revert to my earlier point...

Boxing needs fights to get mainstream attraction. We're in a sport which has very few rising stars, where the two major draws are aging and there's very few potential superstars. For boxing as a sport to grow, you need to create stars. Mike Tyson became a star because he beat Larry Holmes. Mayweather became a star because he beat De La Hoya. De La Hoya became a star because he beat Chavez. Pacquiao became a star when he beat De La Hoya. Where these fights bad for boxing? Was it a bad thing that Hatton beat Tszyu? Was it a bad thing that Tyson, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Hatton, Pacquiao and many more, made their names by beating guys who were past their peak? No, it wasn't, and **** anyone who is disingenuous enough to argue against that fact. This is not a new thing in boxing and I can't believe how dishonest people are when they try and claim that GBP are doing anything different.

Cotto vs. Canelo is a good, competitive fight that either many could win. Not only that, but it will be a PPV attraction and do big numbers. If Canelo wins, boxing will have a new superstar.

But yeah, let's ignore all that and talk about Trout...because he's the future of boxing and if he fights Canelo, it'll do 3 million PPV buys.