GBP President Gomez: GGG must not fight BJS in June or it will jeopardize the Canelo fight!

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  1. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And the games between Golden Boy and K2 promotions continue...With Gennady Golovkin rumored to be in talks with Billy Joe Saunders for a June 10 fight, Golden Boy president Eric Gomez tells RingTV that it could put a fall fight against Canelo Alvarez in danger of not happening (as if we were all holding our breaths at this point anyway)...

    “That would impact us. So I’m not aware of anything with Saunders. We’re talking and he’s talking about making the fight (between Golovkin and Canelo) in September. If he tries to do a fight with Saunders, that will screw up the plans.”

    Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler has denied that there is any deal in place for a June 10th fight but he does admit there have been ongoing talks about the idea. Gomez, however, doesn’t think it’s the best way to go if Golovkin is to fight Canelo in September.

    “We need enough time to promote a big fight,” Gomez said. “You have to do the (media) rounds. You have to do all these TV shows. There’s so many plans we have and we’ve talked about promoting a big fight. You need time.”

    Make of this what you will, but it all seems pretty contrived to me. A Golovkin-Canelo fight has been highly anticipated for at least a year now, and when you have a big fight like that in the waiting, you really don’t need a tremendously long promotional push to make it a success - great fights sell themselves.

    Mayweather-Pacquiao, the highest grossing fight of all time, was promoted in under three months and had no problem selling seats or PPVs. And no, I’m not saying that the worldwide interest for GGG-Canelo is on par with what May-Pac was at the time. But what I am saying is that if GGG were to fight on June 10, that really shouldn’t handicap a September fight against Canelo - unless, you know, we’re just looking for reasons to push the fight off some more.
     
  2. Ol' Bub

    Ol' Bub Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No surprise these clowns are trying to back out of the fight.
     
  3. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Another article from boxingnews24:

    Golden Boy President Eric Gomez is reportedly concerned with the rumors of IBF/IBO/WBA/WBC middleweight champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin facing WBO 160 pound champion Billy Joe Saunders on June 10, because it could get in the way of Saul “Canelo” Alvarez facing Triple G in September.

    Golovkin’s promoter Tom Loeffler shutdown the Saunders-Golovkin rumors this week by saying that they have no plans on fighting him on June 10. A fight between Golovkin and Saunders would very likely be a short one with the fight ending in 6 rounds or less.

    Golovkin is a huge puncher, and Saunders is struggling to beat fringe contenders at this point in his career. However, Gomez says that Golden Boy would want to start marketing the Canelo-Golovkin fight early, and things might be thrown off if Golovkin is facing Saunders in June.

    What Gomez didn’t discuss was how Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya has been talking about a possible rematch with Canelo and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. for September. How can Golovkin and his promoter Loeffler make definite plans for September if they’re not even sure that De La Hoya will commit Canelo to the fight? De La Hoya was saying that if the Canelo-Chavez Jr. fight is an exciting one, then a rematch would take place. That would bump Golovkin off the September date and put Chavez Jr. in his place.

    You can understand why Golovkin would want to fight in June against Saunders if he’s uncertain whether he’ll even get the fight with Canelo. Golovkin already missed out on fighting last December due to the negotiations with Daniel Jacobs dragging on for months before they finally were able to get the contract signed to fight each other on March 18.

    “We’re talking and he’s talking about making the fight (between Golovkin and Canelo) in September,” said Gomez to RingTV.com. “If he tries to do a fight with Saunders, that will screw up the plans. We need enough time to promote a big fight,” Gomez said. “You have to do the (media) rounds. You have to do all these TV shows,” said Gomez.

    The real question is does Golovkin and Loeffler completely trust Canelo and Golden Boy enough for them to not fight Saunders? It could backfire on Golovkin to put all his eggs in one basket and just assume that Canelo will fight him in September. Going by what Canelo has done in the past in saying he’ll fight him and then vacating his WBC title to avoid the fight, it doesn’t make sense for Golovkin to trust him.

    If Golovkin chooses to not fight Saunders on June 10, he could wind up empty-handed in terms of an important fight for the remainder of 2017 if Canelo and Golden Boy choose to Chavez Jr. again. Golovkin would be stuck defending his title against the likes of Tureano Johnson or someone like that. Not fighting Saunders would only make sense for Golovkin if Loeffler can get Canelo and Golden Boy to sign the contract for the September fight ahead of time so that they know for a fact that the fight will be there for them in September. If not, then it makes no sense for Golovkin not to fight Saunders on June 10 if the fight can get made. That’s a good money fight for Golovkin, and it would allow him to pick up the last piece of the middleweight puzzles in winning the WBO title.

    If Golovkin doesn’t fight Saunders, then there’s a chance that someone else could beat him and that wreck his plans. What happens if Canelo decides he wants to pick up the WBO strap? If Golovkin passes up on the Saunders fight, Canelo could swoop in and get a title shot against Saunders and take his title from him. That’s not good for Golovkin. It’s in Golovkin’s best interest for him to win the WBO title BEFORE he fights Canelo, because he can use that title as leverage to get a better deal with Canelo in the negotiations.

    With the title, Golovkin can say that he’s the unified champion at middleweight. Holding all the belts would definitely give Golovkin more bargaining room to get a better cut of the financial pie. Right now, Golovkin isn’t even being given a percentage cut of the revenue for the fight. He’s being given a flat fee offer by Golden Boy for the Canelo fight. Winning the WBO title could change everything when it comes to the negotiations.

    When you hold all the titles in a particular division, you hold all the cards. Canelo can say he’s the more popular of the two, but you still can’t ignore Golovkin if he’s got all the belts. That should at least put him in position to ask for a 60-40 split of the revenue for the fight. If Golovkin holds 3 out of the 4 belts at middleweight, then Golden Boy can say that he doesn’t have all the titles, so all he’s entitled to is a flat fee for the fight.

    Since Golovkin and Loeffler have no way of knowing whether Canelo will actually take the fight with him in September, it makes sense for him to get as many fights in as possible before September. If Canelo does fight him in September, then so be it. But if Canelo doesn’t face Golovkin, then he’s going to have wasted valuable time by not having fought in June or July. Golovkin wants to fight 4 times in 2017. That’s not going to be possible if he doesn’t fight in June.

    “Our first goal is to make the fight,” Gomez said he was told by Loeffler. “And I said, ‘Ok great.’ But if he does something in June, then it could jeopardize of push it back at least.”

    Canelo went and fought Liam Smith last September rather than fighting Golovkin. Canelo is now fighting Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. on May 6 instead of taking the fight against Golovkin. If Gomez wants to complain about Golovkin fighting Saunders in June, he should look at what Golden Boy has done with Canelo. They’ve been matching him up against other fighters rather than making the fight against Golovkin. De La Hoya said that he wanted to let the Canelo-Golovkin fight marinate so that it would get bigger. How does Golovkin know that De La Hoya won’t choose to kick the fight down the road into 2018 or 2019?
     
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  4. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't agree with absolutely everything in both articles, but these comments by Eric Gomez, Golden Boy Promotions president, are completely indefensible.

    I re-quote a paragraph which nails this on the head:

    What Gomez didn’t discuss was how Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya has been talking about a possible rematch with Canelo and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. for September. How can Golovkin and his promoter Loeffler make definite plans for September if they’re not even sure that De La Hoya will commit Canelo to the fight? De La Hoya was saying that if the Canelo-Chavez Jr. fight is an exciting one, then a rematch would take place. That would bump Golovkin off the September date and put Chavez Jr. in his place.

    GBP have no right to try to dictate Golovkin's career like this, threatening that they will withhold the Canelo fight for the lamest excuse anyone could find.
     
  5. dannyc1990

    dannyc1990 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If canelo signs then yes cancel the saunders fight and concentrate on canelo, if not just press on and face saunders.. golovkin cannot be expected to put his career on hold because canelo is in 'talks' with him. Until his signature is on the contract assume there is no fight
     
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  6. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a good suggestion, but there is a timeline problem.

    The thing is that Canelo will not sign for sure until May after he fights Chavez Jr, because he doesn't know if the rematch might be necessary (ODLH has been very clear about this possibility).

    If GGG is to fight BJS in June, everything has to be fixed up well before then, and Golovkin can't just suddenly pull out of the BJS fight b/c Canelo demands him to.
     
  7. dannyc1990

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    Yeah, I think if i was golovkins team though i'd press ahead with the BJS fight. He then collects all 4 middleweight titles if he wins, this has been his main goal? I'd assume he will not walk away from that fight unless canelo has signed. Like you say though the timeline could cause a problem. Lets face it though until canelo signs it's all talk and a june fight for golovkin shouldn't be an issue, what is the date he is supposed face saunders if he does? If it's early june that gives 3 months of build up to a fight that probably doesn't need much promotion.. mayweather - pacquaio had 7/8 weeks...
     
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  8. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    June 10. That is over three months to September 16.

    That's why this is complete nonsense. The other reason GGG should fight in June is that, due to the world expo funded by the Kazakh government, it's probably the only chance he'll ever have to fight as a big star at home until he is past prime /shot.
     
  9. shadow111

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    Golovkin has only been fighting once every 6 months. The idea that he'd fight Saunders less than 3 months after the Jacobs fight is absurd. Not only that, but remember, Canelo is Saunders mandatory, so if anyone is going to fight Saunders it's Canelo. For Golovkin to fight Saunders in June, he should have to pay Canelo step-aside $$$, just like Cotto had to pay Golovkin to fight Canelo.

    Gennady is gonna have to wait to until May until Canelo has his fight with Chavez before Gennady is allowed to make any decisions about his career. Canelo holds all the cards. He's the Lineal Champ, he's Saunders Mandatory, and he's Cash Cow of boxing. If Gennady does anything to jeopardize the Canelo fight, then he's not serious about making the fight and should be criticized by the fans for ducking Canelo.

    If Gennady tries to fight Saunders before Canelo Chavez, then it is clear that Gennady is scared of fighting Canelo and Oscar should contact the WBO and declare Canelo's intentions to fight Saunders in September as the mandatory. As the WBO 154-lb champion, Canelo - Saunders would take precedence over Golovkin - Saunders. If Triple G is successful over Jacobs, then he should wait patiently until Canelo Chavez and wait for the opportunity to get the biggest payday of his life and the biggest fight of his life vs Canelo. If he tries to fight Saunders, than it's clear that he's not serious about fighting Canelo and would be doing to Canelo what Cotto did to him, fighting someone else instead of his mandatory. The only fight that should delay the mandatory WBO Showdown of Canelo vs Saunders is Canelo vs Golovkin.
     
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  10. PaddyGarcia

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    Canelo is fighting in May so how much difference will that really make?

    GBP don't want him to have all the belts prior to the Canelo fight, that's all this is.
     
  11. dannyc1990

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    This whole post is stupid. Canelo is not BJS mandatory... his mandatory is khurtsidze who is now fighting tommy langford who is number 2. No official confirmation but i would assume he has been given step aside money with the rumoured golovkin fight upcoming..

    Golovkin does not have to hang around and wait on canelo, he should press ahead and take the BJS if it comes up. He is not a young man and he does not have time to hang around. If he waits for canelo and canelo loses or canelo looks poor and wins then the fight will lose a little bit of value and canelo could possibly rematch chavez jnr in september then golovkin again has missed out on BJS and has no fight for september
     
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  12. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's Saunder's job to pay step-aside fees, but since Canelo chose to fight Chavez Jr rather than BJS, the step-aside fee was already paid to Khurtsidze rather than to Canelo.

    Also, unification usually takes precedence over mandatories. You can't compare it to Canelo-Cotto, Cotto was the only one who held a 160 lb title.

    That is completely preposterous. You are saying it's ok for Canelo to use his leverage to put the career of a 34/35yr old on hold for no good reason, and if GGG doesn't obey it's a duck? That's complete garbage.

    I can't believe that you've actually wrote this, I've always considered you a good poster.

    How does an early June fight affect Canelo-GGG in September? 3 month turn-arounds are perfectly normal.
     
  13. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly !!!!
     
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  14. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well said.
     
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  15. DKD

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    I'm sick and tired of GBP and Alverez putting up obstacles and demands.

    Who are they to dictate anything to Golovkin?

    Golovkin should fight Saunders next, get all the belts first and block any other route for Canelo. The Canelo fight is still there later in the year if GBP really want it, after all it's their biggest payday, too.

    This fight should have happened already.

    GBP know Canelo can't beat Golovkin and that is precisely why they've gone down this ducking diva, A side, shot calling route. It's pathetic.
     
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