Gene Tunney v Moore Of The Marciano Fight?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Box rec says 75" .Moore ko'd a lot of dross too, lets not forget that.
     
  2. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Maybe, I said in another thread I rate gene slightly higher than Moore at heavyweight. But Tunney had the much easier road at heavyweight. Beat smaller, aging Carpentier, gibbons and a young Risko. Split with 165lb Greb and not have to beat Wills. Never rematches Loughran. Moore’s road was much tougher, and he had to beat Marciano at his very best to win his heavyweight title. Tunney had to go through a Dempsey who hadn’t fought in 3 years and was gassed by round 9.

    At light heavyweight, it’s very hard to argue Tunney over Moore
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I think Tunney was a great talent. Phenomenal at what he did best. His footwork, footspeed, punching on the move, intelligence, sense of distance was spectacular. But he had flaws, and he didn’t fight enough great competition for some of those flaws to be exposed

    I think it’s entirely possible Dempsey never beats Tunney even in his prime.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Quite a few astute boxing writers think Tunney always beats Dempsey,I don't agree , but maybe I'm biased!
     
  5. SuzieQ49

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    Well your best case is 1919 Dempsey was faster, better reflexes, and in much better condition than a 26 Dempsey
     
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    Tunney was sharp, disciplined, could land on Moore, because damned near everybody else of substance could, especially at this stage of his career, so why not Gene??? Tunney was too smart to stand and slug aimlessly with Moore...yeah, the "colorless Marine" had brains...stuck to his game plan, always had a Plan B when in trouble, had two good legs, was defensive adept and
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    , would have beaten Archie Moore at this stage of his career. Live with it!!! With all due respect, of course.
     
  7. SuzieQ49

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    You think Moore was a lot further past it than he actually was in 1955 in my opinion. His resume leading up to 1955 speaks volumes and backs my case...he was fighting at an all time great level 1952-1955...His record from 1952-1955 was as good as Tunneys best 3 year run. I don’t give a **** that Moore was 38 in 1955, he was still knocking out 25 year old all time great future hall of famers at that age. He’s a serious threat to beat Tunney.

    “Slug aimlessly”

    Moore didn’t need to slug it out to win. He boxed beautifully with his upper body movement, counterpunching ability, and ability to lure fighters in so he could set a trap. Tunney might not bite for the traps, but his fatal flaw of keeping his hands too low with limited head movement could be exposed by Moore’s sniper like punches .
     
  8. reznick

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    Tunney by decision. I think Gene is underrated.
     
  9. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wasn't referring to Moore "aimlessly slugging"...read it again.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    And Moore is not?
     
  11. Reinhardt

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    Tunney stops Archie after 12 rounds, Tunney may be a tad underrated .
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Moore’s getting underrated in this thread
     
  13. mcvey

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    I don't think he is ,if anything I think he might be slightly overated at heavyweight.
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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    Was it? His record at heavyweight is immaculate. He also swept the young dangerous contenders whom Al Weill did not fancy on taking.
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He is a top ATG at175lbs, but significantly below that at hvy,imo.Ever seen him in a top 20 all time heavyweight list elsewhere?