Gene Tunney vs. Cleveland Williams

So is his red headed stepchild apparently.

 

Funniest part is, Seamus has had this guy on ignore for years.

 

I still am not sure if he has me on ignore or not. A couple days with his profile picture does a lot.

 

Lucky for Williams.

 

Can’t beat Ernie Terrell.

Can’t beat Eddie Machen.

Will beat Gene Tunney?

Not on your life.

 

I mean he did beat Terrell..... arguably twice.

 

For as bad as Williams was, the Terrell scalp is damn well impressive.

 

My mistake - he has an earlier win over Terrell I wasn’t aware of. He looked pretty poor in the return fight & dropped a decision. I’m fairly generous to Williams as opinions on him vary pretty wildly, but Tunney is comfortably out of his league for mine.

 

He looked “poor” in the return because he went into the fight with injuries that threatened to have the entire bout cancelled. Even so, Terrell labored for an SD that many including myself scored against him. He was also holding on for dear life the entirety of that last round.

 

Williams was a dangerous fighter but he was all left hook, with little dimension to him. He’s an accident waiting to happen with a fighter as shrewd as Tunney. Ring IQ, speed, durability, endurance, footwork, output, heart…all in Tunney’s corner. He’s simply too intelligent for Williams for mine.

 

Tunney

 

Tunney beat legendary Jack Dempsey, who was superior elite fighter unlike Williams who was crude, wild slugger who was not even great contender.

And some people think Williams would stand a chance?

 

He doesn't beat Tunney, but I'd give him an outside shot against Patterson.

 

Wow...You're quite the boxing historian..."HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"...Just kidding!

 

I rewatched the Liston-Williams fights yesterday and I agree with this post. My thought when watching Williams went back to something Swag and I posted about the other day, about the great "what if" of what Williams could have done if he had elite-level training rather than Hugh Benbow, because it was so painfully obvious that Liston was a much better-schooled and better-skilled boxer than Williams. (Honestly, even though he got rocked once in the first fight, Sonny pretty much beat the merde out of him twice.)

Williams is so upright, carries his hands so high, looks almost like a barroom fighter, and it's obvious that his game plan is just to drop the big hook when he gets the opening. But that hook was so frickin' dangerous when he landed it ...