Gene Tunney vs Jack Johnson

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  1. psychoshane

    psychoshane Active Member Full Member

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    In their prime both these guys were master boxers and could punch. Would be a real chess match. Who would you pick?
     
  2. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Johnson, i think he was a little more complete defensively and on the inside.
     
  3. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe Gene out hustles Jack, maybe Jack out muscles Gene. :think
     
  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If Johnson turns up motivated and in shape, a "best for best" type scenario, then Johnson should be favoured to break Tunney down with smarts, bodywork and physicality. Even at half mast he busted Jack O'Brien to **** in only six. But Johnson was such a maybe-man and Tunney such a consumate pro, i'm loath to see them matched in such perfect circumstances. I think had they really met, Tunney might have picked Johnson off, second time of asking if not first.
     
  5. Mendoza

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    If one considers that O'Brien who was not as big, strong, or durable, as Tunney according to papers was even with or Jack Johnson on his prime as champion, you would have to go with Gene. Tunney's movement skills, reach, and superior outskills would earn him a decision. O'Brien on film was a timid type of fighter. Tunney was not.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Mendoza, I see O'Brien in support of Johnson's case, not against it, and he was very much at half mast. As for TUnney's aggression...the retrospective picture is a bit mirky, but i'm not sure that aggression would work well for Gene, of all people.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I would say Johnson on ballence, but it is not a confident pick.
     
  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's basically what it comes down to. Tunney has the edge in speed and footwork, Johnson has the edge in size and power. Hard to pick a winner based on what's been seen and done by either fighter.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I dont see it as being a very exciting affair, possibly one for aficionados of defensive boxing.I give the nod to Johnson but he would have to be focused ,Tunney was no slouch as a boxer.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    I'm torn on this 1 and can't really pick a winner, neither faced anyone like the other. I'm not as sure as some that Tunney wins the fight on the outside, Johnson was hard to hit and used his range well aswell as good counter right but Tunney has the better jab and speed. As the fight comes inside Johnson probably busts him up though.
     
  11. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Two of my all time favourite fighters to watch ever - I think Johnson might just be the type of fighter to get under Gene's skin and take him out of his game plan - Johnson was a genius fighter in my opinion - he really was something else and he also had tremendous power too. Gene was a master boxer don't get me wrong and had imaculate timing but Johnson was so hard to get at at all let alone beat and generally when Johnson decided the time had arrived to finish it he'd quit his playing games and that's where the fight would end generally a la Burns, Jeffries, Ketchel - trying to box with Johnson would be playing right into his hands too so I think Gene for once is frustrated that his precision and clinical boxing isn't working for some reason.
     
  12. DDDUUDDDEE

    DDDUUDDDEE Undisputed Ambien (taker) Full Member

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    Tunney takes this I think.
     
  13. gentleman jim

    gentleman jim gentleman jim Full Member

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    Another tough one! Jack and Gene are so different stylewise hat it's tough to predict a winner. Would Jack be forced into chasing Gene or would Gene have to come to Jack? It seems like Jack liked to have his man come to him and then he would counter while Gene liked to set up his man with movement and textbook boxing. I guess it boils down to which fighter can impose his will and battle plan on the other. If Johnson can set traps and force Tunney to close with him then he is favored. But if Tunney can make this a track meet and stick and move as he did against Dempsey then I guess he takes it. A very tough fight to call.
     
  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But the time when Johnson ends it, he was against 2 middleweights and a shot fighter, I dont think he would have that over Gene.
     
  15. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's a pretty questionable statement IMO. How many world class boxers did he fight that approached the style and quality of Tunney? The one that comes even the most remotely close was Philly Jack O'Brien, who reports say fought Johnson on even terms for as long as their fight lasted.