General fitness: Which atheletes are better conditioned than top boxers?

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by zetsui, Apr 6, 2015.


  1. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    I would agree they are getting better and better but if you have been watching a while then you must know standards were deloprable amongst the non top ranked nations, and even bad amongst the best. And I amnot sure why you deny that whle teams coming to the Cups are shot through with fatties who only turn up for the free holiday abroad and the drinks, and get steamrollered.

    Will Carling, mongst englands supposed best in the past, used to pile in huffing and puffing at the back in cross country. He wasn't fit enough for other sports, so guess where he ended up and thrived.
     
  2. Kaz_187

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    Rugby league
    Biathlon
    Tennis
     
  3. Mac mand

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    Rugby has changed vastly since then,the fact that it was an Amature sport when carling played tells you a lot.
     
  4. HerolGee

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    again, I agree its changed a lot. retiring perfectionist Wilkinson was light years ahead of fatboy flop carling.

    I have no truck with this. But there are still plenty of teams carting in unfit baldies that have no aspiration in them at all of lifting the world cup. Compare this to the football world cup, where over a dozen teams can get into up to the semi finals, and Greece can win the Euro. Theres a vast difference too.

    My other gripe is at least some of the university scene, where I have known real rugby players (at that uni) to pour absolute scorn on the actual uni teams.

    However let me point out that I also I have no truck with saying that the top athletes in rugby are top class - in fact I said that in my original post.
     
  5. Mac mand

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    I think league is a lot harder than Union.you don't see many fatties in league at all,but don't get me wrong,a rugby player wouldn't cut it at elite level boxing either,your body is conditioned to which ever sport you play and no one is going to cross over over night.
    I think regarding more nations being a led to win a tournament is due to football being bigger than rugby in every continent of the world and globally dwarfs rugby.
    There are only a handful of nations anywhere close to being elite level hence why the same teams always win internationally
     
  6. Grooveongreg

    Grooveongreg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No one beats boxing

    Strength, power, technique, cardio, mental toughness , etc

    If u lack in any attributes you get battered , other sports you just take a break, boxing doesn't have that luxury.

    When u have your first fight u really find out what fatigue means.
     
  7. HerolGee

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    yeah I agree that ruggers just not very popular compared to footie, and I don't think that will change in the near future (unless one lives in a public school, in which case rugby is normal life and you ask "whats footie?" when you leave school).

    I acknowledge league is harder since its not something I've looked into much so I am not going to pretend I know about something I don't.

    Lol it does almost look like you wrote "league of fatties"
     
  8. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Chess, closely followed by golf.
     
  9. big moose

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    Agree re the power of rings gymnasts. I rock climb and hang-out (literally!) with people who can do party pieces like one-finger chin-ups. Some of them have started using rings to improve their core-strength (which is generally pretty good - combined one-armers and front levers etc) and they are in awe of the proper gymnasts.

    There's a reason why the eastern bloc countries and now China dominated those type of events. They were the only nations with the ideological will and lack of sentimentality / cruelty needed to put kids through the necessary massive amounts of painfully hard training .

    That said, I feel for "all around" ability tennis still takes the prize: the combination of speed, power (anaerobic capacity), stamina (aerobic capacity and recovery), endurance (matches of up to 5 hrs, spent intermittently sprinting), mental focus (every moment of every point, no squads, no substitutions, no team mates to take the slack), and the length of the season (pretty much continuous with only a few weeks off over Christmas, which are spent training for the run-in to the Australian Open).
     
  10. BlizzyBlizz

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    Roger Federer cannot do a pullup. I saw a documentary on him and it was said he couldn't even do a single pullup. WTF?
     
  12. WATP

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    That's not true.

    The old story is that cyclists in the original EPO era had alarms set up in case their heart rate dropped too low which could supposedly cause blood clotting.

    Even that is disputed.

    Probably wasn't true then, and isn't true now.
     
  13. big moose

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    From what I've read, it was true. Although, it isn't the heart rate that EPO affects, it is the viscosity of the blood. EPO causes the number of red blood cells (RBCs) to increase. The "haemocrit", the volume fraction of RBC's is normally around 40-45%, with EPO it can go well over 50%, making the blood "sticky". When cyclists slept, their already low heart rates would drop and the thick blood couldn't be pushed through the narrower arteries and capillaries, causing an infarction. Unless they had a heart-rate monitor to wake them up and alert them to get on the turbo-trainer for a quick pulse raiser.

    In the early "golden age" of EPO use, before it was placed on the list of banned drugs, there was a spate of young cycllists (mainly Belgians) mysteriously dying in their sleep of "heart problems". Then, 50% haemocrit started to be used as a cut-off level by dope testers - anything above that is now viewed as indicative of doping , even without direct evidence for a PED. No more mystery deaths.... and funnily enough, cyclists all now tend to have a haemocrit of 49%!
     
  14. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Don't get hyped up thinking boxers are the epitome of fitness...

    Many fat boxers around these days. Heavyweight division is full of them.
     
  15. dangerousity

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    MMA fighters are probably the only ones fitter than boxers overall, they require more muscle endurance due to the grappling aspect of the sport. Other than those 2, crossfit is probably the most overall taxing if you can consider it a sport.