Gennady Gennadyevich Golovkin vs. Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán II

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"Supremacy", numero dos: This Next Time For Serious (we hope)

Poll closed Sep 15, 2018.
  1. Golovkin on points

    30.6%
  2. Golovkin by stoppage

    38.7%
  3. Draw :deal:

    0.9%
  4. Álvarez on points

    25.2%
  5. Álvarez by stoppage

    4.5%
  1. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Nobody is getting KTFO
    I’m with you in this one bro
    Canelo has a chin as does GGG
    I think we saw the best ever Canelo in the first match so it’s going to be difficult for him to improve upon that excellent showing IMO.
    GGG is now older and looks slower, I don’t buy into the he allows himself to get tagged BS, so he must improve his attack and ability to cut the ring off from the Young Lion.
    This goes to the the final rounds and a single flash KD would not shock me in the championship rounds but no KO or TKO.
     
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  2. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Can you add a choice for ROBBERY on the poll.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did he ever beat a p4p fighter in his comeback? He was brutalized by Holyfield.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That would be somewhat juvenile, so...let me think...no.
     
  5. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I’m just pointing out Big Boy was like 45 or 46 and had to go to court even be cleared to fight due to his age. He then put the smack down on a decent champ who had outboxed The Real Deal Holyfield for the title, still far from elite, who was almost half his age at the time.

    Now back to Canelo and GGG II
    GGG 115-113 AGAIN
     
  6. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This has been the general consensus, but I feel GGG is too special to even lose pre 40's
     
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  7. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nobody is smashing canelo, dude is LEGIT. I still whole heatedly believe GGG will be even better this time while canelo will be very similar..

    Could be wide UD in a still highly competitive fight, one thing I feel is if there is somehow a stoppage, I believe it's the opposite with canelo catching GGG coming in hard and hurts him bad, then could pummel him to a ref stoppage.

    Canelo quickness and timing could cause this huge upset, but money still big in GGG winning one way or the other. GGG stopping the prime Elite canelo would be the greatest win I know of for decades
     
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  8. GGGfans

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    Golovkin by KO 8
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Well seeing that Oscar is still the promoter and most people felt it was a robbery... It would probably be the 2nd or 3rd most popular reply.
     
  10. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes me too,they’ve both had their feeling out stage in the first fight and imo I think both were quite happy to come away with the draw wether for financial reasons or just that theyed both been involved in highly technical fight(which some fail to understand).

    For what’s it worth at the time without being swayed by any commentators I truly felt it was a draw as neither guy was decisive,only the day after when hearing various commentators and boxing media did I sort of change my tune about having Golovkin a few rounds up,first instincts are usually right though and so the draw was probably fair.

    Don’t expect Canelo to suddenly stand and trade and nor should he but he will have to do more,no good going into round ten thinking he has to win the last three or get a knockout.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Be that as it may, putting it with the poll options would still be puerile.
     
  12. spawnTHEgod

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    You're not gonna be able to predict the winner of the rematch with simple anecdotal thinking, "GGG doesn't throw to the body", "Canelo gasses quick", etc.
    You've got to analyze the first fight, and in my opinion, this fight is based on Canelo's ability to trick Golovkin. Out of the all the signals Canelo has, (signals of when he is going to punch), Golovkin exploited 3, and Canelo only figured out 1 during the fight. The rematch depends on how many more signals Golovkin and Abel Sanchez have figured out and how many signals Canelo and his team know that Team GGG have figured out. If Team Canelo is only aware of the 3 signals from the first fight, it will be a tough time for them. Exact same gameplan from both sides, but a totally different execution.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I think you're assuming a great deal of granular detail on the part of both men's thought process in the heat of battle. This isn't a video game, they aren't sitting behind keyboards typing up strategies on the fly or coming even close to as much overthinking as you're describing. Nobody is watching out for specifically researched signals of the opponent telegraphing any particular shot, and certainly not enough to have the outcome hinge on their doing so.

    Anybody that has ever boxed knows that in the ring there is some thought involved, a rough tactical blueprint, and even (in the case of sharp-witted fighters who are in world class shape and in tune with their bodies) can adapt to being thrown monkey wrenches by altering their game plans thinking on their feet, but the level to which you're describing is far-fetched. Boxing is simply too chaotic, you don't enter the ring thinking anything is going to play out a particular way to which you can plan a custom tailored reaction of high specificity.
     
  14. 305th

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    History also says that an older Golovkin beat a younger p4p in their first one as agreed by anyone sane or non-dumb. It also shows a 35 year old Mayweather beat him, so Canelo has form for losing to older fighters.
     
  15. tinman

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    True but Canelo was not in his prime for the FMJ fight