Gennady Golovkin ATG Middleweight Ranking

Sorry some of these are bad picks to beat GGG.

 

Who?

 

Tiger
Steele
Burley
Robinson
Monzon
Hagler
Ketchel
Moore

 

How about résumé? Yeah... Not so far up there, now, is he?

 

No they don't know this, as is often the case in fights that are so close that they could have gone either way.

So, according to you, the value of Golovkin's legacy rests upon the career of a blown-up Light Middleweight, whom he couldn't clearly beat?

 

Mainly because Martinez didn't want to fight him, nor did any of the other famous welters. Would Pacquaio or Mayweather for example dare risk a fight with GGG at 160? GGG was an avoided fighter. HIs competition isn't far below Monzon's for example, the difference is Monzon at time struggled vs. his contenders, GGG was dominating, knocking his men out.

Who did GGG legitimately lose to? Maybe no one. Who floored him? No one. How about his consecutive title defenses, who top's him? Maybe Hopkins depending on how you define it.

He's a first ballot hall of fame boxer, I guarantee you that. To suggest that Valdez, Bert Lytell, Joey Giardello or Billy Papke would have beaten GGG is a stretch. Not only was GGG a very active all time puncher with a chin, he had a style that quick out fighters loathe. GGG was a very good boxer himself, with Olympic credentials.

 

he was 77 years old what do you want?

 

This. no one wanted GGG and he had to wait til he was ancient to get the big fights. He didn't move up in weight, or hasn't yet but neither did Hagler, he's a nobody as well by that logic?

 

Once again stop putting words in other posters mouths. No GGG's legacy does not rest on one man. Where did I say that? I didn't. That's your fluff. Please quote people accurate or don't quote them at all.

I did say as Canelo's legacy grows, so does GGG as everybody know he won the first fight cleanly, and past his prime I might add. Some suspect Canleo was on PED's too. GGG was 35, and age that Greb and Kethcel were dead and Halger and Monozon retired before.

To put it to you in a language you might understand I think Canleo of the first GGG fight would Beat Hagler at age 35, something even you might agree with as you are telling us Hager was in visible decline at age 31.

 

I agree that resume is huge but GGG was avoided by the best fighters, because he was massacring the rest of the division. You can only take away so many points for his so called lack of resume if it wasn't his fault that he didn't get chance to add to it.
Look at the ages when he fought Canelo and Jacobs, he should've been credited with beating them both despite not having the sort of style which supposedly ages well. Surely that counts towards his legacy?

 

Still, Jones, maybe. You honestly would pick all of those to beat him? Martinez, really? Giardello?

 

Yes. So was Harry Wills; doesn't make him a top 10 HW. GGG being avoided(in a wonderfully poor era) doesn't make him an ATG. It makes him a good to very good fighter. Which he is.

It is levels below Monzón's. Everyone with a brain knows this.

No, the difference is that Monzón fought several ATGs and didn't lose to a single one them. He also didn't really struggle at all. He was in closely contested fights but with a clear winner. GGG's two best wins are exactly that.

He didn't knock out his 3 best opponents... Hell, he arguably lost to all 3. His then next two best wins are Lemieux and Macklin ffs.

Canelo beat him. I don't agree with the decision, but beat him, he did. What does not getting floored by anyone have to do with anything? And Hopkins has double GGGs title defences.Monzón has more. Hagler has more... The shitty, little WBA minor title he had back in 2012 wasn't a world title. It's the equivalent to including title defences of the European Title.

That means very little to me. HOF is a joke.

How so?

Valdez is a better version of Canelo.

Lytell is one of the most underrated fighters ever, his front running style with such a granite chin definitely gives GGG issues, at least. I'd say he beat GGG, not only did he beat better, he also took power from Archie Moore. GGG ain't out-working him and he ain't stopping him. It wasn't his style to try and out-box him. Lytell wins.

Joey is a level above GGG. I didn't think that had to be spelled out. He beat Dick Tiger, who does everything GGG does, but better. Jab aside. Giardello would be able to out-box GGG like Canelo did in the first fight, and Giardello, on-form, doesn't take rounds off.

Papke was the one I was most unsure of. He beat Ketchel, who wasn't exactly a copy of GGG, but it showed he could take serious power and cope with pressure. His rough tactics and nasty infighting likely make GGG do what he always did when faced with adversity and go into a shell. Where he out-works GGG and goes to the body hard.

That doesn't make an ATG.

 

Yes.
See above for Giardello.

Martinez does things Canelo does, but better. He'd work around that jab and counter it. He'd make GGG look slow, and that speed advantage is the reason I pick him to win.

 

GGG was slow when he was 35, yeah, still beating the best though, where was Hagler at that age? Pretending to be an actor. Golovkin followed Monzon in beating the best prime middleweight out there while way past prime himself. Monzon knew he was done by that point and retired, Golovkin would probably have done the same had he not been robbed.

When you say you disagree with the decision, but Canelo' still beat him', what does that even mean? It doesn't make sense. That logic just gives license to dodgy boxing decisions. GGG would have only been allowed to win if he'd knocked out Canelo, lucky for Canelo he was fighting an old man by then.

Agreed, and no one is saying GGG deserves to be ranked above Monzon and Hagler, just that he should be top ten, which he is.

 

If you can not get the big names to come up and fight you ...then you move up in weight ...168...175 ...that’s my problem with him ...I would be a fan of his even if he lost