Gennady Golovkin ATG Middleweight Ranking

Ra's Al-Ghul,

No, he wasn't lucky. He'd started to turn things around by the 7th or 8th round with aggression and body shots. Go and watch the fight.

He deserves huge credit for that win.

Nunn was a great fighter, a stylistic nightmare for many fighters, and he was in his prime.

Mike was more skilled in my opinion. And many fighters would have struggled against that version of Mike.

GG never fought a southpaw as good as Reggie Johnson.

You don't know exactly how he'd have fared.

Look at how Canelo struggled with Lara.

Toney did get a gift. But that doesn't undo everything else he did.

Billy Joe Saunders has beaten Andy Lee, John Ryder, Chris Eubank and David Lemieux etc. He's a world class fighter. Yet he was extremely lucky to beat Artur Akavov.

Chris Eubank beat Michael Watson, Nigel Benn, Tony Thornton and Gracianio Rocchigiani etc. He was a world class fighter. Yet he was extremely lucky to beat Ray Close and Dan Schommer.

These things happen from time to time.

If you're going to claim that GG would have beaten Toney because he lost to Tiberi and GG was better than Tiberi, it's a poor argument.

He didn't lose the Griffin fight very wide.

They were both very close fights.

I'm not making excuses for him. He admits himself that he lost. What I'm saying is, these things happen, especially when you're fighting so frequently.

How many fights has GG had?

Toney had fought 46 fights by the time he fought Roy Jones at 26.

No, he wouldn't have been too green for GG.

I'd take the best version of James, who was fully fit and fighting to his full capabilities over GG.

The Tiberi result isn't going to change my mind.

You have no idea if GG would have beaten James' MW opponents, especially fighting a hectic schedule like he did back then.

Whilst you can't ignore the Tiberi fight, it can't be your main reasoning for a GG victory.

I'm sure you could name 50 SMW's who you'd have picked to have beaten a guy like Ray Close. But it wouldn't mean that they'd all have beaten a prime version of Chris Eubank.

I'm not for one minute saying that GG couldn't have beaten James. Of course he could have. He is/was a great fighter. But you have to look at the whole picture, not just a single fight.

 

how many did GGG have as amateur? Vastly more mileage than a lot fighters overall. Perhaps every fight wasn't Hagler - Mugabi but even still.

 

He never did and the WBA recently confirmed it by practically erasing half of his title defences. Bogus/interim/regular titles simply don't count when comparing to real titles. . Some of Golovkins defence count were of a secondary belt , not a primary belt. . WBA came under pressure to scra pthose trinkets from their rankings.

WBA Eliminates Interim Titles Effective Immediately

The WBA on Wednesday announced that it will eliminate all of its interim champion designations -- a move that will affect fighters like Daniel Dubois, Chris Eubank Jr., Rolando Romero and others.

 

He's an odd one, since he has never decisively lost but also never decisively beat a good MW. He has looked very dominant against the C and lower level fighters, though.

Guys like Hagler, Monzon, Hopkins, SRR and Greb are all above him, but harder to say how he ranks compared to the likes of Toney, Nunn, RJJ, Zale etc. He can probably get into the top 10, but he could be outside it as well.

 

Well, he was prepared to fight anyone at 168 until Ward actually took him up on his offer.

 

1 TOP Middleweight from EVERY YEAR from 1890's to 2021. Oh Wait!
just a minute, that's 131 Middleweight Greats, something is wrong here guys, and I know it's not the math.

it's the absolute ridiculousness of Trying to squeeze the latest sensation, or supposed sensation into 10 or 15 from ALL of Boxing History, when are people going to stop this. Who the hell ever started such madness to begin with?

Anyway, GGG wouldn't be a Top 30 L-HW from the 1940's, because that IS what he'd be fighting at, and you have to times that by either side of a 100 Fight Career, which can Change for the Better or Worse if said fighter begins to slide 7 years and 60 fights or so in...

that is why these lists are absolutely mental, what an insult to Boxing.

if you're going to do them, at least TRY to do them right.

that same 130 plus years, choosing 10 fighters a Year or even 25 - 60 for a Decade, some decades being strong, some not so strong... that still leaves you with a 200 - 300 Greats List for ALL The Weights Each... then TRY to slot him in accurately,

THAT Would Be a More Educated and Considered List for ALL Great fighters and Boxing History.

 

This is your brain on Classic Boxing logic.

Why are people so enamored with MW Robinson? There is nobody on his MW resume who would beat Golovkin.

 

NO! it's RECORDED History...

the Middleweight Stature was typically 5' 7" - 5' 11" Tall and weighed 160 less - 170 plus if not called to make weight, and Fighting at Catchweight meets.

GGG would NOT do it any different than his peers, his mentality, psyche and whole understanding would be precisely just like his Peers.

EVERY Human being 'living' in another Era, would do exactly as everyone else does at that time.

GGG the L-HW.

 

I meant Golovkin would be a LHW champion in the 40s too, or at least a great contender.
Name 30 LHWs from the 40s who would be above him.

 

you do it,

starting in the late 30s with the MWs cum L-HWs who carried into the 40s,
then go to the Top 10 from each Ratings from at least 3 of the other LEADING Boxing Nation's the UK, Europe and Australia
then ALL the TOP 10 fighters year after year for the whole decade
then the late Decade Rated prospects who carried over into the 50s.

that's roughly 14 years which will espouse the 40s Decade,
that's At LEAST the TOP 30 fighters per year from the Strongest Boxing Nation's, many of which would have remained for the bulk of the whole Decade...

then a few miscellaneous from the odd other Nation or country, i.e Canada usually had a couple of their rated fighters competing among the Top...

anyway, you'll have plenty of Fighters to TRY and Slot in, in some sort of ACCURATE Numerological Rank.

 

You made the original claim.

You should be able to prove it.

 

Ward declined the Golovkin fight at 168.

Ward says he won’t fight Golovkin at 168

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/04/ward-says-wont-fight-golovkin-168/

 

BoxRec's Annual Ratings: Light Heavyweight Annuals - BoxRec

1940's - the Ring.

• 1940s: 1940|1941|1942|1943|1944|1945|1946|1947|1948|1949|

then Uk, Europe and Auz to include, but the 2 above links will give you some Ratings to sift through and work with.

 

@thistle
I am sure Golovkin would beat the likes of Tommy Tucker and Yarosz.

 

Yeah, well I'm not, not at all...

you see BOXING is Littered with 1000's of Great Fighters, so many long forgotten Pugs, Fighters, Contenders and my favourite, Prize fighters, "the Prizefighter", what a beautiful complimentary, ACCURATE and just Poetically Telling Title.

the Prizefighter - and GOD Knows there were many of them.