Gennady Golovkin Homecoming and Final Fight

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  1. lufcrazy

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    Most people did, I don't understand CJs point. Even now people go on about Floyd facing McGregor
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:
    Compubox can be so misleading when it gets used as confirmation bias to paint a picture that is so fundamentally different to actually watching a match and scoring it properly, based not on counting punches and deciding how many arguably landed (which is largely guesswork at best) but rather evaluating the quality and effectivness of landed shots and other aspects of a round like ring generalship, effective aggression and defense.
     
  3. shadow111

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    GGG looked like he was in a car crash after the rematch. That didn't happen by accident. It's no coincidence that GGG had never been marked up like that before or since. Canelo did that, Canelo bruised his face. Was he bruised up like that after a grueling 12 rounds against Derevyanchenko? What he bruised up like that against anyone else? No, of course not. Being brutalized by a consistent barrage of power punches over the course of 12 rounds did that! Why do you think he fought so uncharacteristically cautiously in the 3rd fight? It was largely because of the beating he sustained in the rematch, he didn't want to feel that or suffer that kind of a beating again. You continue to pander to tiny sample sizes of ringside journalists who largely had an investment in GGG winning as they predicted a GGG victory and could not fathom or come to terms with what Canelo did to GGG, in the first fight or in the rematch and still to this day remain in denial about what happened. Lucky for you I'm here to wake you up out of your delusions and remind you of what happened. You're welcome.
     
  4. box33

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    Compubox has always been inaccurate & especially when a fanboy is tapping the buttons three times over because he wants his favorite fighter to win.
     
  5. Jacques81

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    You from Jalisco by chance?
     
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  6. m.s.

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    Maybe his favorite fighter was Canelo, and did extra tapping and still came up short. The big money Vegas cash cow was Canelo. If you turn down the sound and watch the 2nd fight slower, the fight isn't that close. GGG boxed him silly. It only becomes closer in real time, when things are moving so fast you give Canelo the benefit of the doubt because he looks dynamic when punching. GGG blocked alot of those punches the some thought landed. Hey, you should be happy that Canelo came out on top regardless of stats and ringside experts seeing something different.
     
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  7. shadow111

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    Very few people believe that the rematch wasn't close. The fact that you think that shows you delusional you are. It's one thing to hyperanalyze it and watch it in slow motion and score it for GGG. It's another to make it seem like it wasn't close. Yes GGG did block some of those shots but even some of the shots that were blocked were still effective in forcing GGG to retreat and cover up something is very uncharacteristic of him. He also blocked a lot of shots with his face and he was marked up far more than he ever has. You don't judge matches by facial damage but the impact of those punches do tell a story. It wasn't just the head shots, Canelo imposed his will on GGG and took the fight to him, as GGG and his fans asked of him. You can't ask for it, get it, then complain about how you got it. Canelo made a sustained effort of punishing GGG to the body which was a big part of why he won. Judges notice body punches. All you seem to care about is GGG's jabs. Jabs are not as impressive as body punches and dynamic power shots. Canelo did a great job of throwing combinations in the rematch and putting punches together which surely impressed the judges and gave him the edge in many close rounds. You only see what you want to see, but Canelo did the impossible that night, he did something GGG fans never imagined could happen.
     
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  8. m.s.

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    It would mean something to you if Canelo was the one who clearly out landed GGG in the first two fights. It would be brought up along side the other Canelo BS. You can't bring that up because Canelo got out landed by alot, and barely out landed GGG in the 3rd fight. I didnt need compubox to tell me this, i have recordings.
     
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  9. m.s.

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    The big money for Canelo winning made the difference in the close rounds. Even with the Canelo influence he barely got the decision. GGG landed big with the jab, as well as uppercuts hooks, and right hands. He also almost spun Canelo around with a right hand in round 10. Great fights, but Canelo was outlanded in both. Hey, the money guy won, thats the way it is. You know how it works, don't pretend you don't.
     
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  10. shadow111

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    GGG lost not because of $$ but because Canelo imposed his will on him and won more rounds. GGG fell behind after rounds like 2, 3, and 5-8. While I reviewed round 5 and agreed could be argued for GGG, I couldn't say the same about round 6 which was a clear Canelo round.

    GGG was down 6-2 (or 5-3 best case scenario for GGG) after 8 rounds. And yes he rallied down the stretch and showed heart in making a comeback. But he gave away too many rounds over the first 8 rounds and he was too far behind on the cards. And even though he had that moment in round 10, even if you give him that round (the round overall outside of that moment was still very close) Canelo arguably still did enough to win rounds 11 and 12. Though you could argue those for GGG as well they were not clear either way and to make a comeback GGG needed to do more if he wanted to emerge victorious. He fought too cautiously especially after making a big stink about a Mexican style firefight which he never ended up delivering on.

    Yes both were great fights and you have every right to argue GGG won the first 2 matches, but you also shouldn't make excuses about why GGG lost. GGG did not deliver the kind of fight he promised the fans after the first fight or did he perform or dominate in the way that his fans expected him to. Canelo was far better than GGG fans realized or expected and as a result GGG couldn't get the job done each time. We can debate the reasons why but Canelo fought well and gave GGG the fights of his life. Win lose or draw those results can stand on their own two feet. There's nothing wrong with the decisions, of course many disagree with them. But that's the norm in boxing. Most decisions are seen as controversial and corruption and conspiracies are alleged pretty much anytime there's a close decision. It's nothing new in boxing and isn't specifically related to Canelo. Canelo impressed the judges with how he fought and won more rounds than GGG did. It's really as simple as that.
     
  11. BCS8

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    Thisss. Golovkin looks much much better in slo mo when you see all the little things he does that are too subtle and fast to appreciate in real time. Like the way he dips his elbows down to catch body shots or neutralizes shots to the head by lifting the glove slightly and dipping his head slightly at the same time. IIRC the commenters were slobbering all over Canelo every time he had minimal success which makes it even harder to score.
     
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  12. box33

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    Don't say Slow Mo around here you will be laughed out & you're right the fighters who do a lot instead of the usual jab & clinch always appear more superior when you slow it down even a little, the three stooges up front aren't able to catch those exchanges as they barely can see what's happening in front of them in general.
     
  13. shadow111

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    Every time I hear about Slow Mo it reminds of me when Pacquiao fans were using slow-mo on youtube to argue he really beat Mayweather. :lol:

    Don't get me wrong, sometimes slow mo reviewing of exchanges has value especially when reviewing close rounds but often it can be a self fulfilling propecy to see what you wanna see and ignore what you don't.
     
  14. BCS8

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    fixed it
     
  15. shadow111

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    Well that's a lie because I've never posted boxing content on youtube and I also never tried to argue Canelo beat Mayweather. You really should try being more truthful and less dishonest for a change. :deal:
     
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