Gennady Golovkin just said he would fight Maywheather @ 154

While I agree, I don't think his move to 168 was framed quite like that. These types of "strategic" moves don't say, "I want to step up to greater challenges", they say, "I want lower risk, higher reward fights". He has a lot of hype around him, so naturally he will have to start living up to it soon. But, let's see how it unfolds.

 

I'm really confused with some of these comments. Why exactly should the #2 P4P fighter in the world move down to fight anyone?

regardless of what weight Ward was fighting in the amateurs, he's been a SMW his entire pro career and wiped out the entire division with veritable ease.

Gennady hasn't moved up in 5 weightclasses like Mayweather, all that's asked of him is to move up ONE weight class to get a megafight with one of the P4P best.

If media pundits and boxing connoisseurs want to label GGG as a top 10 P4P fighter, than he needs to take an exponential jump in competition. It's delusional to think Ward needs to adhere to any of GGG's teams demands and be forced to go down in weight. He's the more respected fighter with the more decorated resume, he should call the shots on what the weight should be in a proposed matchup with GGG.

I find it hilarious that GGG's team wants to move DOWN in weight to fight FLoyd Mayweather at 154 when everyone knows FLoyd isn't even a big WW. That's just absolutely moronic thinking. If he wants to go down to 154, fight some true sized JMW's like ALvarez, Charlo and Lara.

 

The draw part got him the fight. I dont rate Trout as better than everyone on GGG resume though - Cotto never did much at 154. He was a "name" but honestly not an accomplishment. I dont rate Trout or Cotto at 154 tbh.

If Canelo beats Lara I will give him some respect. He has a hard time being the aggressor, if he can overcome that hurdle it will show some big improvement in his game.

 

Hilarious like Ward and BHop saying they would fight Floyd. Some people who dont really care about facts keep talking like Team GGG moving down to 154 for Floyd is a goal - when in reality its just an answer to a question they get. "Would you fight Floyd at 154?" "Yes, of course he is the best and it would pay a lot of money".

Not sure how this is even still a topic. Seriously.

 

@ Xellos ---^So you don't think after Trout beat Cotto that Austin was at least a top 5-7 JMW?

Most had him in the top 3 at JMW after his win over Cotto. DOn't get me wrong, he doesn't have any other big names on his resume outside of his loss to Canelo, but I personally believe Trout's win over Cotto is much better than anything on GGG's resume up to this point.

Same goes for Canelo. In his last 3 fights he's fought an undefeated Trout, the P4P king and ANgulo. For an encore, he's now taking on one of the most avoided fighters in the sport in Lara.

Canelo and GGG are on completely different trajectories as far as the level of competition both men are facing. It's not even remotely close at this point.

 

GGG is basically the perfect Mayweather opponent for fans and legacy...but lets leave BS around...GGG has shitty luck ending up with weird management...if I don't know for sure GGG is iron chinned I was going to suspect he is khan at 160 being protected cleverly by Abel Schizophrenia

Works good for TMT quack inc. Everybody wins...loss for the boxing fans...or maybe its bad for boxing to brutalize Mayweather

Anyways blame lays on team GGG for not establishing GGG at 154 if they really wanted to fight Mayweather... Floyd can do the Nazi duck walk marching and quacking safely into retirement...knowing Abel Schizo is no Fox...just a weird guy in a cool gym overlooking the Inland Empire :verysad

 

A couple things. FIrst off, Hopkins is a crazy person for even mentioning wanting to come down to 160 to fight FLoyd, but can you blame anyone for calling Mayweather out? you're guaranteed to get your biggest payday fighting him, so obviously people are going to come out of the woodworks and call out FLoyd, regardless of how improbable it may be for them to ascertain that megafight.

Same goes for Ward, I think I heard him mention he'd fight FLoyd at a CW one time, that's also delusional thinking on his part.

But out of Hopkins, Ward and GGG, it seems that Golovkin's team has mentioned FLoyd's name more than a few times. I do agree that I don't think they're targeting a fight with Mayweather at 154 and they were just answering questions that were asked of them regarding a potential Mayweather fight.

Anyway these guys at 160-175 just need to get it out of their heads that they'll get a chance with FLoyd. He's a small WW, they're essentially just doing it for the money.

The only 160 lb matchup I can see FLoyd go after POSSIBLY is the winner of Martinez-Cotto. ANd I'm not too certain he would even go that route if he had the opportunity to.

 

That was a very colorful post man, I like it.

I will agree with you if GGG campaigned for a few years at 154 and dominated the other top tier guys (which I think he would've been able to,) than a fight with Mayweather would seem a lot more logical.

I really like Golovkin and I'm not trying to demean the guy at all. I don't think he's scared to take on anyone, but his management team that includes K2 promotions are doing a terrible job of matching him up with good fighters while GGG is still in his prime.

Golovkin is my age already (early 30's.) The time for him to carve out a legacy for himself is now. How much longer will he be in his prime for? They're wasting away his most valuable professional years.

I really hope the JCC fight goes through, from what I read there's a holdup on Chavez' part (I think he wants more money.) I favor GGG to win that bout rather comfortably, and hopefully after that match than his team will only pair him up with other top fighters to let GGG show the world how good he actually is.

 

For Mayweather to be lured into the ring vs GGG...GGG needs to make the American casuals know him which is easy work for management to invest in...and inside boxing get legit in 154, KO 3 guys in 154...then Mayweather wants guaranteed 70 Million, it will be worth the risk for him....GGG as of now can't afford Mayweather

In this case neither GGG or Floyd will be interested in doing longer term "Business" so it will be a one fight deal (although a triology can make 200 M). Mayweather wants guaranteed money...GGG win by KO or lose everything. So its really not that much $ for GGG management & possibly a big risk if GGG doesn't get the KO

 

If Floyd fights and beats GGG, he deserves all the credit in the world.

Floyd is a massive step up from fighters like Ishida and Adama, though.

 

Also GGG frame/style is not suited for moving up...at 168 he can deal with Chavez...Chavez is a bloated guy with an iron chin. Other that he is in a big disadvantage, Ward is too big, quick, strong & cautious to lose or even allow GGG to get any work done.

After that only option is cash out vs Kovalev...based on gym stories...Not the roadmap of an ATG

160/154 is perfect for GGG stick to either of them...with Mayweather or no Mayweather

 

"P4P" seriously? So Ward shouldn't go down in weight because he is second on some imaginary list published by an American magazine? "P4P" doesn't even exist in Europe, nor in the amateur boxing, you should know what's the purpose of those "P4P" lists and I won't bother myself explaining.

If Andre Ward is challenging Golovkin, then he is the challenger, simple as that. He is the significantly bigger guy, and if he wants to challenge a middleweight titleholder, then it's natural that he should go down to middleweight. He can't say "I challenge you for a fight, but I want you to come to my division to fight for my titles". That's not how the things work.

 

If GGG can't KO Floyd, he pretty much lost...Floyd sees the obvious bold written health label all over GGG...and will naturally ask for a minimum 70 Million guarantee to take this risk.

Nobody is guaranteeing Mayweather 70 Million for GGG unless GGG does more (I suspect Mayweather is looking for even more than 70 million) because Khan+ Maidana sound safer than GGG alone...the $ needs to match the risk...legacy has little relevance to Floyd at this point...besides the undefeated legacy which makes Floyd

 

pipe dream.

pedjr is in africa.

 

Your train of thought is completely lost on me.

So when Ray RObinson was wiping out the WW division and couldn't find anybody to fight, was the more pragmatic move for him to go up to MW or down to LW?

How about in more recent times like SRL who won his first major title at WW. His rematch with Hearns was for the WBC SMW championship, several years after their first fight.

i don't remember Hagler going down to 147 lbs to fight Hearns, leonard or DUran, they all had to meet him at his weightclass.

The idea that a top-tier fighter should go DOWN in weight to take on someone who isn't ranked as highly as him is incredibly foolish thinking IMO.

I don't understand what you mean by Andre Ward being the "challenger" as he's challenging GGG to a fight. He's widely considered the 2nd best fighter in the sport, regardless of mythical rankings or not.

What he's done in his professional career up to this point easily trumps what GGG has done. His incredibly dominant run through the SMW tournament solidified him as one of the very best fighters P4P in the sport.

you might not like or accept P4P rankings, and that's fine. But in what world does a fighter who's clearly achieved so MUCH more than another guy have to come down in weight to get a fight? Golovkin is an alphabet title holder whereas Ward is the universally recognized SMW kingpin.

The only fight I can think of in recent times when a top tier champion went down in weight to make a fight was when Dawson fought Ward at SMW. But Dawson was the one lobbying for the fight and REQUESTED the fight to be made at 168 lbs.

I don't understand your thought process at all if you think the more conventional thing for a top fighter to do is go down in weight to get a fight with a guy who's nowhere in the same realm professionally.

You're obviously a GGG supernut fan so you don't have to respond back. What you've said up to this point is nothing more than an opinion which I'm positive is not a widely accepted one AT ALL.