Gennady Golovkin lists his 2015 opponent hit list

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  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I know.

    I can't believe Golovkin fans are so foolish as to claim Ward, Mayweather, Pacquiao, Alvarez, Froch, and Chavez Jr, none of which compete at 160, are all "ducking" because they won't move up or down in weight to fight him at 160. Madness.
     
  2. kirk

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    Because Im sure his team views those as 'gimme' fights (fights with very little risk and huge rewards)

    Every fighter from 160 to 175 wants Chavez.... from ward, to froch, to Hopkins. Chavez is the golden gimme fight and I don't see how people don't see the difference between temporarily leaving your division to snatch your biggest available payday in an easy fight against a former 160lber, compared to leaving your division and fighting what would be the best fighter you've ever fought at a weight you've never fought at.

    do you not realize that any smart team would acclimatize to a weight before they took on its best? Golovkin would absolutely have a fight or two at 168 before taking Ward on (if his team had any sense, which they do).

    This is boxing 101


    So talking to me about Golovkin moving up and just fighting Ward right out the gate is just nonsense talk (no disrespect)

    Fighting Chavez up there is a totally, totally different proposition. That is literally a one fight deal where he can come back down to middleweight and continue his work with the gained exposure and continued momentum.

    Tackling Ward is an entire campaign, and smart boxing fans should understand that. Team G does.

    Its apples and oranges.

    And at the end of the day, none of these guys are even in Golovkins weight class. Ive never seen so much *****ing about someone not fighting a bigger opponent since..... **** I don't even know when. This outshines when people were calling on Mayweather to fight Martinez by far.... hell at least those two had been champs in the same division before.


    As for him against Pac or Hopkins, Im not saying youre wrong but unless you got a link for me to where Team Golovkin say they have agreed or will agree to Hopkins at 170 or a Pac fight then sorry but its just chatting ****. I ask because I did a brief look and Im not seeing it. Again not saying youre wrong but should be easy to find a link if you've seen it around. I looked Im not seeing one.


    At the end of the day, Golovkin and team are following the same 'risk/reward' factor as every fighter in the sport, the only difference is, he is applying that to bigger fighters he has no obligation to fight in the first place. Not to fighters in his own division, which is where it matters. This idea that fighters cant follow a risk/reward ratio when stepping up in weight for the first time against bigger fighters they have no obligation to fight in the first place, and that its the same thing as applying with the people you are ranked against and are competing against in your own division, is bizarre and absurd.
     
  3. Nonito Smoak

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    I don't think Golovkin should be expected to go to 168 or 154 for any reason.

    Likewise, I don't think Ward/Froch should be expected to drop to 160 nor Mayweather/Pacquiao should be expected to go up to 160.

    And there lies the double standard that Golovkin fans love to push.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

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    Yes, after his debut on HBO up until recently every interview he was in he talked about wanting to fight Mayweather or Pacquiao and about how he would go down to 150 for those matches. And his fans regurgitated that over and over and over... So, yes. Being a Golovkin fan I'm shocked you aren't exactly aware of that.
     
  5. Nonito Smoak

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    (deep exhale) You didn't get what I said at all. Just forget about it...
     
  6. kirk

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    Difference is, you should be an intelligent, reasonable voice, whereas youre bringing up the actions of a bunch of groupies to try and legitimize the anti Golovkin agenda you have clearly undertooked to some degree.

    You say Golovkin fans call Pac a ducker because he wont fight G at middleweight = you reaching

    You saying Golovkin is always talking about fighting at 150 = you reaching


    I don't know why but for whatever reason you have allowed this subject to skew your objectivity and reason. Im sure it is in response to fanatics you are fed up with but nonetheless....

    youre a great poster but for whatever reason imo this subject turns you rather biased and unreasonable, imo. I sincerely don't mean that with disrespect but more as just an honest statement. I know I have plenty of subjects that probably do the same with me.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

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    "Not Ward. Not now. My focus 160 now. In future, sure."

    Well, Mayweather and Pacquiao's focus is 147, two divisions south. And 154 isn't 160, Mr. Golovkin.

    He needs to get ranked at 147 or quit leaching off their names and getting rabid fanboys with no consistency to make themselves look stupid by reiterating illogical nonsense. Because when you realize his massive double standard in the fights he wants and fights he doesn't want, you realize he looks like an a$$ too.
     
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    Can you give me one link where he says he would go to 150? I am not saying you are wrong but once again I have looked and I don't see one. I could suck at finding things but I at least tried lol. I would appreciate a link, it will not go ignored and I will change my tune on that. Since its all over the place should be easy to find.
     
  9. kirk

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    Again

    At the end of the day, Golovkin and team are following the same 'risk/reward' factor as every fighter in the sport, the only difference is, he is applying that to bigger fighters he has no obligation to fight in the first place. Not to fighters in his own division, which is where it matters. This idea that fighters cant follow a risk/reward ratio when stepping up in weight for the first time against bigger fighters they have no obligation to fight in the first place, and that its the same thing as applying with the people you are ranked against and are competing against in your own division, is bizarre and absurd
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

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    And you are right, kirk. I can admit it.

    But you know from where I sit I could have written that last paragraph or two word for word about you.

    I can admit I have developed some sort of bias/agenda/strong opinion/whatever you want to call it on discussing Golovkin on this site. But I've long been open that the opinions I regularly speak about on ESB are the ones I find to be completely improperly portrayed by extremists and generally accepted by the majority. I have found myself having to defend one of my least favorite boxers, Adonis Stevenson, in recent days because I find the revising of past events most seem to be doing to be less than accurate and in some cases straight up opposite of what they themselves said just months before. And that in no way is boasting Adonis up. Yet people will see it that way.

    The truest answer is somewhere between the two extremes, as always. But you have to admit it is easy to get riled by extremist groups. And there may never have been a more extreme group of fanboys than Golovkins' (I was this exact same way about Bute in his "unstoppable divine future-GOAT" prime).

    Not that my goal is to "bring balance" to the discussion, but, yeah, sort of I guess. The extremists who dislike him are lesser than those who worship the stitching on the crotch of his trunks... I'm sure you can fill in the rest of how I feel about it. I'm not apologizing or taking back anything I've said. I just get highly annoyed by the extremes and double standards, is all. I'm annoyed typing up this justification so I'ma just stop... If you read me say something stupid or unacceptable, fire away at me, kirk!
     
  11. Nonito Smoak

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    Yes. But it works the other way around equally.

    And Golovkin fans, the vast majority of those involved in discussions about Golovkin, refuse to accept that.
     
  12. kirk

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    :good I hear you man. I know very well what its like to get entrenched in a position due to certain fighters groupies. Ill be honest I read these forums and question why I even bother posting in the general forum outside of running the league. Im serious... :lol: maybe out of habit at this point. Anyways man youre one of the few great posters here and I didn't mean any disrespect.

    I too am always, always open to hearing if I am being unreasonable or giving fighters double standards. I welcome it, as it makes me better in the long run. I feel like Ive been fairly reasonable in defense of Rigo, Mayweather, Golovkin, and Ward not having to fight anyone outside of their weightclass. To me, if a fighter isn't ranked in your division, you are not obligated to fight them and its more 'fair game' to apply the risk/reward system to bigger fighters in other division then it is for champions to apply it within their own division. Now, I could be wrong on that but that's what I think is fair. But idk... maybe Im being a bit biased for Golovkin.

    anyways.... im off to bed. Have a good night and thanks for the discussion :good
     
  13. non-stop

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    didnt even play the vid yet but bet ward is not top 3 in there lol
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

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    OK. Only because you're kirk and you asked so nicely and you made me get all sensitive with that last post...

    So, it appears as though 150 lbs, the famous between-classes weight division invented by fans for Sergio to fight Floyd or Manny back in 2011, might not apply here (even though I've heard GGG or Sanchez say that in youtube/Seckback interviews and such and def right after GGG made the HBO debut against Proksa... my brief google search brought nothing from 2010-2013 and I'm not about to watch the endless videos, of which the video titles indicate would be further proof on my behalf).

    Regardless of 150, he says it for 154 and the amount of articles for that are plentiful; you don't need me to link them. That still is the double standard I've been saying in this thread about who Golovkin wants to fight and who he doesn't want to fight and what weights the fights should be at, etc... While Golovkin is just doing and saying his thing, his fans genuinely defend him at all costs even when there has been a clear double standard.

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    http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/...olovkin-eyes-daniel-geale-floyd-mayweather-jr

    Golovkin (29-0, 26 knockouts) will defend his WBA middleweight title against Geale (30-2, 16 KOs) in the hopes that an impressive victory will get him a fight against RING number one-ranked pound-for-pounder Floyd Mayweather Jr., RING champion in the welterweight and junior middleweight divisions.

    “No one at 154 or 160 can stay with Gennady for 12 rounds,” said Sanchez. “Gennady would go down to 154 to fight Floyd and at 168, there are six or seven different guys. They all say that the want to fight him but it’s a different story about getting in the ring with him.”

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    http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/gennady-golovkin-next-for-floyd-mayweather-after-manny-pacquiao/

    ^ This one was published March 13, 2015. And he's still talking about their desires for Mayweather and Pacquiao as if it were serious and logical while still maintaining a double standard, though occasionally straying from it here and there over the years, when talking about Ward or Froch with weight and then Chavez Jr with weight, etc.

    (I will no longer say that Golovkin stated for a Mayweather or Pacquiao fight AT 150 until I or someone else find an actual source I'd vouch for... but I also would hope anyone else reading acknowledges that Golovkin, still, wants Mayweather or Pacquiao at 154 and routinely brings that desire up)
     
  15. Nonito Smoak

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    ESB's general forum...

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    But it's like a bad drug, like meth. You weren't as miserable under the bridge last night as you had been the three nights before so you just want to make sure you'll be less miserable than usual again tonight.