Gennady Golovkin: Tell me about him

GGG had neither the reach or the speed of Hearns.

Little Hagler?

Marvin had a 75” reach.

GGG has a 70” reach.

Marvin was a switch hitter and he had more speed and variation.

It would have been a great fight.

 

Marvin’s wins over Duran and Hearns were still great though, as both Duran and Hearns had success afterwards, either at MW or above.

There was opportunism going on, but the Fab Four did all fight each other.

 

This is complete nonsense.

What are you talking about?

Where on earth have you got this information from?

 

That's because the board dipshits only think names they recognize are worthy

 

Do you understand that lineages can break?? How do you guess they restart?? Too much attempt at over-analyzation.

 

It's crazy some of the crap the detractors come up with. The education system really lets some of these illiterates down. And that is the real shame, going through life just a step above moron.

 

What?

Not obligated?

Ha!

He was his mandatory and a rival MW champion.

Of course he was obligated.

He was the WBC, MW champ.

GGG didn’t just wait.

It was Oscar who strung him along.

Oscar spoke to GGG and his advisors beforehand, and asked for a warm up for Canelo before they were supposed to meet afterwards. If you remember, in the live post-fight interview after the Khan fight, Oscar said to Tom Loeffler “Wait by your phone on Monday morning……”

Then they ended up signing to fight Liam Smith instead.

Oscar gave everybody the complete run around. Team GGG thought that Oscar was acting in good faith. But he was just stalling the fight for as long as possible.

I personally think that GGG is overrated by many people and I don’t think he’s a special as many make out. But he was absolutely ducked by a number of fighters.

Oscar had absolutely no intentions of letting Canelo fight him back then.

Cotto also had absolutely no intentions of fighting him either.

The only thing GGG and his team can be accused of, was being naive in a business sense.

He stepped aside twice as he genuinely thought at the time that he’d be facing the winner afterwards.

 

You know why people are aggrieved.

Oscar delayed their first fight by 12-18 months.

Everybody knows this.

 

Yes I do.
Your point?

 

looked like you didn't. My bad.

 

Milton Nunez for the WBA int belt. He was immediately upgraded to WBA regular and the newly created WBA super went to Sturm, from what I understand the super belt was created for Sturm at the request of Universium Sturms promoter to avoid the Golovkin fight. Golovkin snuck in the back door to the titles because he couldn't get a shot coming thru the front door, nobody wanted to ge their a$% whipped by the Johnny come lately. Once the wolf was in the house all the so called champs scattered and ran for the hills. GGG then ransacked the middleweight division leaving a trail of bodies of those contenders that dared get in the ring with him. Racking up 20 title defenses (18 )by highlight reel KO. He was the real champ. The linear Champ Canelo laid down his belt in hopes GGG would show some weaknesses. The rest is history.

 

The reasons for why Canelo laid down his belt are debatable. There was a weight difference, there was a court case involving Canelo's former promoter, there was a timetable imposed by the WBC to agree to terms that favored GGG, his current promoter was advising him to take the action that he took. Canelo was younger back then, this was before he was his own boss like he is now.

You have concluded that it was all to age GGG so he would show weakness. It just so happened that GGG did go on to "show weakness" against Kell Brook and Jacobs, and I think based on that, you and other GGG fans have reverse engineered GGG showing weakness to be Canelo's reason to laying down the belt. When really, there were several other reasons that you conveniently ignore that were the real reasons why he dropped the belt at that time. Only it makes you feel better as a GGG fan to say that it was all to age GGG or to weaken GGG.

If it was to age GGG, then you'd have to credit DLH and his team for being some kind of voodoo witch doctor, as GGG proceeded to show up to the Kell Brook fight visibly sick and unwell, then proceeding to fail to KO Jacobs. So I can understand the logic behind your hypothesis, but I think you are giving Canelo and his team far too much credit for successfully causing GGG to show weakness if that's what you think that was about. I would just point out that there were pressing issues at the time that more easily explain why he dropped that belt that you are ignoring. And I also think aging and being sick are two different things. There's a tendency to blame GGG's failures on Canelo for what ended up happening. It's clear to me that you and other GGG fans are trying to cover for GGG on all sides. If GGG wasn't at his best a year later when they fought, then that's GGG's failure for not keeping himself in shape. 1 year is not a long period of time, and a fighter like GGG who has taken very little punishment in the ring should not have seen a dramatic decline in his condition or performance in such a short time frame.

If Canelo exposed anything about GGG by dropping the belt and then fighting him a year later, it was GGG's lack of work ethic and his inability to maintain his condition. The fact that GGG ended up showing weakness in that span of time is not insignificant and that isn't Canelo's problem. If it was a strategy to make GGG wait, maybe that caused GGG to be lackadaisical and not train as hard for Brook or Jacobs, more than just simply "aging". And it's become a convenient excuse for GGG fans to blame Canelo or his team for delaying the fight, when there are different ways to interpret what happened, you go with the one that casts GGG in the best light possible, which makes sense, but isn't necessarily accurate. There was a lot more going on than just the basic pro-GGG narrative you are spinning.

 

Wrong buddy,Milton Nunez(lol) wasnt the champ,
They fought for a alphabet belt who no one without using boxrec can say was vacant,who was defending or what.
Martinez was the middleweight champ at thst current time.
I am a Golovkin fan but the truth if the matter is he was never the man at middleweight(should have been but officially he wasnt).

 

I said it was for the WBA interim belt, l never said it was for the top WBA belt or the linear belt, l said he snuck in the back door and the linear and other champs ran to the hills. The real deal had arrived and sent them running. Read what I wrote, it seems you've missed something.