Gennady Golovkin vs. Saúl Álvarez - at last, IB's official RBR

If my GGG fandom was that great it would be a lot wider than 8-4

I seem to remember you defending Byrd's card. If I remember wrongly, then my bad.

The Canelo I based my predictions on wasn't a patch on the one that we saw against Golovkin. He's really found another level. And I'm glad for it. He's a fun fighter to watch and GGG is winding up his career. I look forward to seeing more of Alvarez when Golovkin isn't around to entertain us anymore.

 

So you're not a fanboy for having it 8-4 Triple G but I'm a Canelo fanboy for thinking 8-4 or 7-5 Canelo is reasonable? That makes a lot of sense lol. We have IB saying here that "This was in the neighborhood of a draw, for sure," You however don't see it that way, you don't see it in the neighborhood of a draw.

We have poster Nonito Smoak stating "When watched without a partisan hat on and when discussed reasonably, this fight was an extremely close one."

You don't think it was an extremely close fight though do you ? You refuse to admit it was a close fight that could be scored either way. I guess that makes you a partisan hat wearing Golovkin fan.

Poster lufcrazy stated "I scored this only once, live. I remember thinking Golovkin should get it but I can legit see it going the other way. The draw wasn't outlandish at all for me."

Do you see the difference between these objective reasonable posters and you BCS8? Do you see the difference betwen you (a biased Golovkin fan unwilling to admit that it was an extremely close could-go-either-way kind of a fight) and other more objective unbiased posters who admit that the draw or a close Canelo win is perfectly reasonable given all the close rounds?

And it's pure comedy then hearing you talking about how there are supposed fanboys trying to convince themselves that 10-2 Canelo is plasible, even though I don't see any, yet you turning around and suggesting wider than 8-4 Golovkin is plasible "if your Golovkin fandom were so great". OK so if my Canelo fandom was so great then maybe I'd have it wider than 8-4 Canelo too, but unlike you I'm being objective which is why I have it 7-5 / 8-4 Canelo and not 9-3 / 10-2. I have actually tried to be fair to Golovkin and tried to split the close rounds, where as you have shown an unwillingness to compromise on many of the close rounds.

I don't think he really found another level vs Golovkin. Personally I thought he made some tactical mistakes vs Golovkin, like staying on the ropes too much trying to prove a point that he could play to Golovkin's strengths and still win. Frankly I thought Canelo was on his way to a fairly easy win but made the fight harder than it needed to be in rounds 5-9 allowing Golovkin to get back into the fight. I don't think that was the best version of Canelo that fought Golovkin, he made some tactical mistakes but still won the fight in my estimation, though I fully recognize that it was close and debatable. Still I was impressed with Canelo and his ability to fight Golovkin how he wanted to fight him like staying on the ropes too much even if it wasn't the smartest tactical decision. I mean most people like yourself thought going in that Canelo would get hurt badly by Golovkin if he stayed on the ropes. Canelo did that in several rounds but was never bothered by Golovkin's power. Still he got hit too much in some of the rounds and he could have stayed at middle ring more and won rounds more decisively.

 

Thanks for posting, a good read.

 

You are a very odd person !

 

Oh ****..... Brother, you are FAR from objective, especially in the scoring of this fight. I can hear you hyperventilating just reading these posts.

 

hyperventilating? good one, or maybe I just like talking boxing and having a reasonable debate about a fight. I am trying to help BCS8 become a more unbiased scorer. I like that he admits that he likes watching Canelo fight, but for some reason he just doesn't give Canelo enough credit when scoring his fights.

 

Oh. Well, of course you are. I guess you certainly have your work cut out for you.

 

Uh, yeah. Because it seems pretty obvious to me that Golovkin won that fight, and that's the consensus (80%) opinion amongst boxing fans. It's like me saying that Kirkland won against Canelo, and you pointing out that, no, Canelo beat the shorts off of him and then me complaining that you have double standards.

No I don't see it as being in the neighbourhood of a draw. It was a good, competitive fight, that I feel GGG won. I can, however, see that Canelo is close to Golovkin's level and that he has ways of scoring the win in the rematch.

I see that they have a slightly different opinion to mine.

Au contraire, while I am a GGG fan, I have an unbiased view of the fight. In fact, on the first watch it seemed pretty close and my opinion was closer to theirs. I had it 7-5. On the various rewatches, it became apparent that Golovkin was doing a lot of things that were subtle and that quite a bit of the flashy stuff Canelo was doing was not as effective as I'd originally supposed. I settled on a 8-4 score.

HOWEVER, if I was as biased a fan as you think I am, you'd be locking horns with me daily as I tried to explain how GGG had actually whitewashed Canelo ... and I'd probably get my ass banned in the process. Luckily my OCD is under control

You need to go back and read some of my older posts just after the fight. That's actually how I scored it, too.

Oh well, I guess GGG has slipped more than I thought then. As a fan that's disappointing but sometimes us fanboys don't see how our heroes have been degraded from their primes.

I pretty much agree with this. Canelo's one big flaw is his shallow gas tank. If he could improve his cardio (and really, why not?) he could stay off his rest breaks on the ropes and in centre ring where he was much more effective.

 

I wouldn't humour this guy. He has serious Canelo feels. The drivel he comes out with is ridiculous.

 

It's comments like these that steer the conversation off a cliff. Honestly BCS8's latest comment was great for the most part. I don't think he's humoring me, that was one of his better responses and a reasonable one at that. I have "serious Canelo feels" whatever that means? Canelo is one of my favorite fighters but I'm legit trying to be real about the scoring in this fight. Like I'm not just giving him every round, I'm trying to be fair to Golovkin and your comment here just dumbs down the conversation. What I'm saying is not "drivel". It's insulting to me to hear you characterize what I'm saying as drivel as I've put a lot of thought into it and I'm legit trying to be reasonable and reach some kind of middle ground with somebody like BCS8. I'd characterize drivel here as being unwilling to admit that a fight was extremely close and hard to score, acting like these rounds can only be judged one-way is really ignorant as far as I'm concerned. That's drivel, to act like this is such a clear cut decision that only one guy can win is pure nonsense in a fight this close.

 

this is what i have always thought & i scored the fight to Golovkin. round 6 was one of Canelos strongest rounds and very few people gave him the round

 

i think the problem with this fight is, it was very close, you could arguably give Canelo the first and last 3, and at least the 6th, although i didn't see it that way so in that context, it isnt a robbery. but the fact that so many and the VAST majority of people; be them fans, boxers/ex-boxers, coaches, pundits etc, all had it to GGG, is where the idea of a robbery comes from

 

I have watched this fight several times.. IMO not that easy to score.. I see so many different cards and opinions in regards to the rounds everywhere.. Its crazy.. Not a bad score I had it close for GGG the only part where I disagree is that I gave Canelo the 1st three rounds clearly but after that GGG took control in general.. Some rounds were very close and difficult to score but again only card I disagree with the most is Byrd's... Crazy

 

The eyes dont lie, only corruption does. If the masses, like over 80 percent feel one man won, than that man won. The problem is we are stuck with the outcome. No matter what. We are stuck with controversy and a huge integrity problem. Also, we will eat it up, complain about it, watch the money making rematch and go on with our lives. Boxing, the quintessential act of Heart, determination, skills, corruption, drama, money, and then coming up with more ways to fool the public.

 

So we can still count the number of posters who think Canelo won on one hand?