Gennady Golovkin vs Thomas Hearns

well this is the issue with opinions. I think Hearns looks much quicker with straighter punches. To me it looks like a mismatch. That is why I put up the video.

 

Hearns was rarely hit with clean punches. Against Andries, which is how he would have to fight he fought at a slower pace and used his jab and countered. Hearns was the better fighter. There is no argument. The resume is A+ and Canelo is to me B or B-... Maybe B with Canelo and Jacobs..

 

That Hagler fight was different than most fights for both of them. I think they took personal hate into the ring of years of insults and the fight being cancelled in 1982, and they fought a streetfight. I don't think it would be duplicated by either again or could be.

 

He didn't? You are kidding? Virgil Hill's jab was everything to his wins and his jab was better than GGGs. Leonard had a good jab. Hagler had a good jab and better than GGG in my opinion and he would leap in at times, and even lept in with the left hook. This is why Hearns quality of opposition neutralizes most arguments.

 

I guess that is good. I would have been more impressed if it was Shannon Briggs or someone like that.

 

For a MW to get the better of a 240-250 lbs HW in wrestling is very, very impressive. Something I'd actually wouldn't believe if I hadn't seen the footage.

 

The Fab 4 are pretty overrated as middleweights. Shows you the power of nostalgia that you can take a lightweight, a couple welters and one true middleweight and call it some sort of renaissance of the division. But people ate it up and the fights were often entertaining.

 

I guess so. That guy looks more like 200 pounds or 210, but I suppose it is good. Hearns did rock Ali in sparring in 1981..

 

That sure is downplaying the fab 4. That is like saying "The Heavyweights of the 1970s was a bit overrated. Take a flamboyant champion and match him with a small limited guy with a left hook- a swinging Texan and a college football player and you get what some call the magical era of heavyweights"

 

It’s nothing like saying that not even comparable. He did not say they were overrated in general but rather they get overrated as MW’s well above their optimal weight classes. Most of us like these guys and appreciate their accomplishments. But some of us are questioning whether they were great MW’s and the evidence does not point to any of them outside of Hagler at truly being great at 160

 

I don't think you understand what pressure fighting means:

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^that is pressure fighting, or "volume punching". Bobbing and weaving, ripping the body, pressing your head into the opponent's chest, standing shoudler to shoulder and digging in with hooks and uppers. Being willing to let your hands go and take a few if necessary.

I would never on a million years describe golovkin that way based on his recent fights. What "pressure fighter" do you know of who lands more jabs than his opponent?! This is why i question if you even watch his damn matches because youre not making sense. Roy Jones even called Golovkin out on this:

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What Peter Quillin is describing is how golovkin "pressures" you by standing in front of you and threatening you with his solid fundamentals and power. You can provide all the quotes and sparring stories you want, the fact of the matter is golovkin was never a grit your teeth and grind you down type of fighter...at least he wasnt against his best competition!

Pressuring and stopping a 147 pound kell brook doesn't even remotely compare to what marvin hagler did in his fight with hearns. Are you aware of the fact hagler was nearly stopped in that fight? He suffered a nasty cut and had to take some deqdly bombs just to get close to hearns and land his own shots. Honestly he may have been lucky hearns didnt box him from the start but credit to him for being brave and executing his game plan.

If golovkin's style was remotely similar to what you're attempting to describe his punch stats would show a lot more power punches thrown. Jacobs and canelo both threw and landed more power pucnhes than he did but golovkin was the pressure fighter....???

And Again, for the record im not criticizing Golovkin for being a smart boxer with a good jab, im saying the agenda youre pulling here doesnt make sense. Golovkin wouldn't go in guns a blazing against hearns, he would try to outjab him and get embarrased. But youre the guy who thinks he could actually outbox hearns so...

 

Nah. Hagler knew he had to take it to Hearns in order to win. Hearns had no choice but to brawl. You don't think Hearns would have rather boxed?

 

Hearns went for the knockout. He didn't want to box. Immediately when Hagler came forward and Hearns had his back on the ropes Hearns threw punches and kept throwing. I think after some time he wanted to box since he didn't hurt Hagler, but initially he wanted to knock him out. Hagler was rocked and had Hearns not broken his hand it might have been interesting.

 

And I agree with Peter Quillin. I even said as much in my comments. You're having a hard time understanding this. Golovkin forces a fighter to engage. He would force Hearns to engage and in the end, as quick and beautiful a boxer as Hearns is, he would not be able to physically withstand a series of exchanges with Golovkin through the duration of the match.

How do your eyes work? Watch this:

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While I don't want to accuse you of outright lying, I have to say that its really strange that you are unaware that Kell Brook fought for the MIDDLEWEIGHT title against GGG. Moreover he was actually heavier than Golovkin for that fight. And to go even further, both Brook AND Golovkin are HEAVIER THAN HEARNS. That's correct. Your "147lb fighter" was actually a LHW when he stepped into the ring against GGG, and so was Golovkin. Hearns did not have the luxury of an extra day to rehydrate.

The IBF morning weigh in:

"Golovkin (35-0, 32 KOs), who came in at 159lbs on Friday, added 8.8lbs to his weight as he tipped at 167.8lbs this morning. ‘The Special One’, on the other hand, was heavier than Golovkin yesterday and weighed in bang-on the super-middleweight limit of 168lbs when he got on the scales at the hotel."

https://www. [the scene] .com/gennady-golovkin-1678-kell-brook-168-ibfs-fight-day-weighin--108606

No, wait, what?

Which fight?

Did Hagler fight Hearns!!!!!!!!

OMG!!!!!

This is news to me :O

Are you aware that Hearns broke his biscuit hands on Hagler? Would his hands be able to handle landing on the much larger and iron chinned Golovkin? We can only speculate.

1) I think he could outbox Hearns
2) MUCH lesser fighters than GGG have landed on Hearns and had him in trouble.
3) Hearns was susceptible to the overhand right which is one of GGG's signature punches.
4) Even if GGG couldn't outbox Hearns, he would force Hearns to engage and land enough on him to crumble him.

 

So he had no choice but to brawl. That's what I said.
Hagler beats Hearns 10/10 Hearns just didn't have the chin or toughness to beat Hagler. The punch that rocked Hagler would have killed any other mortal at 160. Hagler was just to tough.
Broken hand or not I think Hagler just keeps coming and eventually knocks him out. Hagler took Tommy's best shots and knocked Him the **** out.