Gennady Golovkin's reign surpasses Marvin Hagler's reign

LOL.

It's painfully obvious that YDKSAB.

THERE WAS NO IBF IN 1980, GENIUS...

 

Tangibly speaking? No it does not. There is no such thing as the lineal title. It does not exist.

That's what you keep forgetting. The lineal title does not exist. As in, it's not there.

 

He became the Undisputed and lineal Champ in 1980.

 

Of course, you're correct. Holmes was the first IBF champion ever.

My mistake, we all make them.

Nonetheless Hagler was stripped of his WBC belt in 1984. He regained it in 1985 against Hearns.

This still interupts the 6 years 7 months undisputed claim

Hagler was also stripped of his WBA and IBF belts prior to the Leonard fight for which only the IBF belt was on the line.

 

There has been about 25 belt holders at MW since GGG picked up his first strap to now. GGG has fought no more than TWO of them. Thats a hell of a lot of guy calling themselves a champ.

How many guys called themselves a champ during the Hopkins era?

 

A champ is a champ. Because if you have a world title belt that makes you a champ.

 

Your point is what?

 

What was your original point?

 

A champ is a champ. A belt holder is a belt holder. Not the same.

 

You don't consider a world title belt holder to be a champ?

 

Negative.

 

IBF was formed in 1983, genius. "didnt get the strap till 83" huh? duh. do your research.

you need to look at it in context -
back then 2 out of three was enough when the other was the "lesser". ibf was the new belt at that time, like a wbo belt in the 90s/early 00s or todays ibo belt.

noone took the ibf belt seriously in the 80s, just like noone took 3G seriously until he beat Danny Geale in 2013. SAME RULES FOR BOTH 3g and hagler, fair is fair, and 3g is still leagues behind.

either way, hags had the belt ASAP. he was so freakin undisputed, if you looked up the word undisputed in a dictionary you'd see a pic of his smiing face wrapped round a bottle of babycham and hot Italian legs.

 

he wont get to 20, hes on decline and reached about 6 now more or less.

 

You're right.

I know the history of the belts, actually, I just thought the IBF came in a bit earlier and posted without thinking.

Hagler's undisputed reign was interupted in 1984, however, when he was stripped by the WBC for political reasons.

Not that it matters.

I agree with you about Hagler. For me Hagler is the greatest middleweight champion of them all.

I don't necessarily agree that Golovkin is leagues behind him, though. Golovkin is the best middleweight of the moment and possibly has an argument for being near the ten greatest middleweights ever.

 

hes arguably the current best only canelo can argue against it, not blo joe saunders. if u had to chose one mw king, todays its him.

but plenty have been dubious kings in the past, probably at least 30 could stake such a claim given that mw history is long and steeped.

if 3g was a smw then he'd surely be top ten SMW easily, hes easily better than sven turnip head and has way more defences than recent guys like chunky (3?), froch (hlaf a dozen), joe cowarzaghe (joe has one ibf one, rest were wbo lessers at the time).
And H2h he'd have even steven chances with all three.

Hes unlucky to be in such an established division.

sorry about crazy humour earlier.