Gentlemen, Your Thoughts on Sugar Ray Robinson at 160lbs...

Quite honestly, the only one I would give him an advantage over is Hearns, in a scenario similar to that of SRL - Hearns. I see Monzon as having too much of a reach advantage, similar to Hearns, but he would actually have the chin to back it up, soi see him winning a UD. As far as Hagler goes, I think Hagler would win by late KO. All 3 fights would be entertaining IMO.

 

Yeah I guess you're right. I was thinking stoppage but for some reason I said KO. I can just picture Robinson taking a couple of unanswered shots and the ref stepping in to stop it.

 

...............Although I consider Hagler the better middleweight, I think Ray beats him. A smart boxer who happens to be real sturdy (and this doesn't just mean Leonard; Monroe also fit this mold) can get to Hagler. Robinson wouldn't just jab and dance, either; he'd jolt Hagler with those passioned flurries and have him off balance, though I don't see him seriously hurting Marvin.

Monzon would beat him, though. He wouldn't take the chances and could work at a greater range than Hagler, and keep ay on the defensive behind that long jab. Rather than fight inside the way Hagler would, Monzon would limit Ray's patented inside flurries by clinching and spinning him. Monzon by decision.

 

Is not a top H2H at 160, at 147 he does very well, but he's outgunned and outsized by real MW ATG's and top elite's. Hagler losing to Ray? Get real, Hagler by stoppage is the most reasonable pick on accumulation, defence was never Ray's thing and if La Motta was able to get work in on him...:yep

Monzon would absolutely crush him on his best night by the way and Jones-Robinson is a mismatch at 168.

Honestly, Hearns/Robinson at 147 is one where I favour Hearns. At 160 I seriously favour Hearns, as Hearns was still very good in that range.

 

.............No way does Hagler stop Ray. Not happening. You should already know this.

 

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At 160, Robinson is a little too small for the big guys of that division.

But at 147, i wouldn't pick anyone over him, and certainly not Hearns.

 

Hagler would not KO Robinson.

Robinson is a bit underrated at MW because of the fact that most consider him at his best at 147, when they don't realize all of the footage they see and praise is of a MW Robinson. He was better at 147 yes, but at his best, he was fantastic at MW as well. He'd have taken Hearns out within 5 at any weight, as that fight would've turned into a brawl, and no way does Hearns's chin hold up to Robinson's chin and power.

He's capable of losing the other bouts, but I'd give him a better chance against Hagler than Monzon. I may rate Monzon tops at MW.

Against Jones at 160, I guarantee you Ray would win at least 1 of 3.

 

This is one of those rare times you actually see SRR underated. Hagler would not KO a prime Ray, SRR fought 200 fights until he was an ancient 44 and the only time he didn't finish a fight was because of heat exhaustion. Duran certainly wasn't known as a defence first fighter and actually made it close over 15. Duran started his career at 119, and Ray has no chance of going the distance?

If a 35 year old former Welterweight champ like Griffin can give prime Monzon a tough fight, how can you say that a prime SRR couldn't?

It's true that his best weight was 147, but when he finally grew into a middleweight in the late 40's until his first retirement in 52 he would be hell for any middleweight. Most people remember his middleweight fights from the late 50's/early 60's comeback when he was well past his best. He only weighed 144 for the 1 fight he lost to Lamotta by the way.

How great would Hearns-SRR at 147 be?