Gentlemen, Your Thoughts on Sugar Ray Robinson at 160lbs...

Even a green Roy Jones would have absolutely spanked him at this weight. Too much speed, too much power, too much natural size. He would be simply better than SRR in every area EXCEPT for experience.

 

Hmmm, not sure what the problem is mate. Unless you logged on once before and didn't use your password. Your IP address may be blocked. I actually got banned becaue i let my ratio slip, which i am pretty dirty about. If you get your Service Provider to change your IP though it will let you in. Try shooting them an email. I downloaded a ridiculous amount of fights, in dvd quality from that site. It was unreal. I was an idiot for letting my ratio slip, and am paying for it now. In Australia, it is the only way a fight fan can really keep up on everything. The archives they have of classic fights is unreal as well... It used to annoy me to be honest, as much of it doesn't really interest me presonally. Although i know some of you guys would be jumping over the moon.

 

Hmmm, its hard for me to make an objective pick. I think SRR was talented, but i have my opinions regarding era's between him and Hagler. Still, i'll try and answer this leaving it out of the equation. In terms of style, Haggler could get in trouble vs SRR. WHilst he is a very well roudned boxer, SRR possessed the greater speed, and the unorthadox combinations and punches to confuse Haggler. I honestly think that Haggler being the bigger guy at 160, and being in his actual prime could make this an extremely hard to overcome though for SRR. Maybe wearing him down, or using his jab to back him up and making it a war in close. I would probably lean towards Marvin, but i don't think it would be clear cut as some others here do. It would be interested to see who possessed the better movement. I believe it was Hagglers biggest weakness, and something that SRR could potentially exploit.

 

ACB, check the trash or blocked emails on whatever program you are using. My password went in there once, preventing me from logging on.

 

There's no way Ray beats Hagler, when he was troubled by primitive slop like La Motta. It's simple common sense logic.

Hagler in 5.

 

Nobody was in Hagler's league back then, not even close, Hagler's a big jump forward as a fighter from the MW crop then. Ray was an advancement, but his welterweight size and defensive holes have Hagler an easy opponent.

Similiar, Duran would school Ray at 147, depending on his gameplan.

And La Motta is horrible, look at the film footage, there is nothing redeeming there except for stamina, chin and durability, he's one of the worst 'HOF' fighters I've ever seen, a journeyman in skill, no more.

I take my life's frustrations out on classic fighters. Some people like to take their problems out on their family and friends, I just like to grill classic boxers, it's all good.

 

Well my all time fantasy matchup would be SRR/Hagler. This is a tough pick for me because Hagler is my all time favorite. I think I end up giving the nod to SRR though, seeing as how speed and timing was about the only way to beat Hagler (combined with other goods obviously such as stamina and chin). I also don't see Hagler stalking SRR in the latter rounds when he may be behind on the cards, as SRR's speed and power might make Hagler more prone to try and "box" as I see it. Not to mention SRR had excellent movement in the ring.

I also favor SRR over Monzon. Monzon seemed to try and get his opponents "off their gameplan", and frustrated, which wouldn't work against SRR. I favor Hagler over Monzon for the same reason, and I also think that Marvin would be pumped and "mean" for this fight, seeing as how I have heard Monzon downplay Marvins greatness in the past. I remember hearing him say Marvins power was overrated and he was beatable before the Roldan fight. So I see a pumped up unbeatable Marvin against Monzon.

As for RJJr I favor him over SRR at 168. RJJr at 168 is my #1 h2h fighter. He would have everything SRR does plus a few more intangibles.

 

LMAO at the last bit. I actually feel the same way, but i am sick of having the same tired arguements with people. I think from now on i might just analyze like i would any other fight, and take my opinions reagrding eras out of the equation. At least it makes for more interesting conversation.

 

At MW, Robinson is a brilliant fighter, but not as good as he was when he was campaigning at Welter.

In my view, Hagler is the best MW ever & I think the marvelous one would have won by SD over Robinson.

I also think Monzon would have scored a UD over Robinson, but I would pick Ray to beat Hearns. I really don't see how Hearns would win? I mean, if tommy went for the KO, he could well end up being KO'd himself & I don't think he outboxes Robinson.

At Welterweight, Ray Robinson is the best P4P fighter in history, followed by Henry Armstrong!