Gentlemen, Your Thoughts on Sugar Ray Robinson at 160lbs...

The problem with these p4p matchups is sometimes age, and how much a fighter loses or gains at whatever weight has to be factored in. I say just forget the weight and imagine each fighter's skill, heart and physical assets at their best weight, put each fighter in their primes as well and then I would say that Suger Ray Robinson would be all these fighters.

 

disagree , Lamata was a extremely strong middle weight maybe just as strong as Hagler in his prime .

Hagler also had issue with fighter slicker then himself , Duran and Ray Leonard are the two fighter that come to mind , nether one of these fighter played into Hagler strength , which was standing in front of Stronger Hagler ..

Hagler was a excellent boxer which he seldom gets credit for but he lack the slickness and depth that Ray Robinson would bring , I don't think Ray had enough pop in his punches to KO Hagler but combined with his skill and speed he would make Hagler respect him way more then , he did against Duran or Leonard ..

based on that I going with Robinson with a close UD decision over hagler .
and a close loss against Monzon maybe .

 

The guy never went down. Why are you entirely obsessed with skill?

What's skill with no heart? Look at Kelly Pavlik, he's nothing to brag about from a physical perspective as far as raw natural tallent is concered, except for his power and his stamina, but the guy is the middleweight champion and would do well in any era in my opinion.

Hagler was no where near the tallent level of Hearns in my opinion, but his chin, tenacity, power, and size in combinations with Hearns taking the fight right to him, won Hagler the fight.

Sure Lamotta wasn't as tallented as Ray, but the guy kept coming and never gave up. He would wear fighters down and knock them out. Haven't you ever fought a guy before that you couldn't put down? It's incredibly frusterating.

 

I don't think he fairs too well h2h at 160 really, I wouldn't pick him against any, but obviously Hearns is a big chance due to chin issues and I can see Hearns getting dragged into fighting Ray's fight. Against Roy Jones even further past his prime weight I wouldn't even like to think about, he's certain to get knocked out. Monzon would beat him wide too, far too big and long

147 is a different story entirely