Genuine MMA/UFC discussion

I used to be a fan of MMA back when it wasn't very well known like it is now. I used to be only a casual fan of boxing then. Now things have flipped over. I don't hate on MMA but boxing is more my thing.

There are many good things about MMA, and the thing is, with MMA, you will get boring fights but you'll never get fights that are really, really boring. I'm talking bout stuff like Klitschko v Ibragimov and Danny Williams v John McDermott part 2. Now that's like watching paint dry. No MMA fight I've seen has ever matched that level of boringness. However, no MMA fight has ever matched the, excitement, and nail biting epicness of great boxing fights such as Marquez v Vasquez, Barrera v Morales, Gatti v Ward etc. MMA can't match that ****. That's some unbelievable ****. Those fights were masterpeices. It's like some higher power created those fights. Like maybe there's a boxing God who was thinking "okay in round one, this is what happens" etc.

MMA at the moment seems raw. Boxing at it's best is silky smooth and slick. MMA is still quite new though, we'll see what happens.

 

Interesting. I can see what you are saying to a degree. Might be the history in boxing and that fact it is non stop striking at its best.

 

This.

Now, **** 'UFC', if I'm gonna address MMA I'll address it as a whole.

I liked it as a kid; when Joyce Gracie would fight big blokes (and make 'em tap) and Ken Shamrock was the 'World Most Dangerous Man'. Dan Severn was the Lesnar of his day, former college wrestler who was a true beast.

I thought the 'proper' weight classes and more professional outlook was detrimental to the effect of the fights; which were sometimes brutal, and rarely anything less than interesting.

MMA goes one of two ways now; sometimes, I see a great fight that makes me as excited as the likes of Gracie did. It's that intriguing.

Often it's the ground equivalent of Haskins-Broadhurst :yep

However; Lesnar-Carwin (despite my knowledge that it did NOT feature the Worlds best two Heavys, but one which might be (Lesnar) and one guy who could really whack but was massively hyped (Carwin)) gave me that 'Big Fight Feel'. It was a true clash of styles, would answer questions on both men. It delivered too IMO; Lesnar showed his grit, and Carwin showed his lack of poise past the opening five minutes.

Do I prefer it to boxing? No. But any sport that has as good an all-round fighter as Fedor Emilianeko will get me interested (and yes, I know he lost, big f'n deal) and, there have been more interesting match-ups as of late.

Problem is, when they stink they really stink and I lose concentration. There's just something about The Sweet Science that keeps me engrossed even when its not super entertaining.

MMA=Not ****. Also, not as good as Boxing.

IN MY OPINION:good:good:good

 

Despite what I said, these are great points and a good post:good

 

the fight was build as the biggest because the 2 fighters were the 2 biggest hw in the ufc and because they were trying to sell it as the 2 best which in my eyes there not there striking was just funny to watch it was that bad! but there both wrestlers not strikers so u cant really complain about that, with mma you've gotta really look for the skilled fighters to enjoy it other wise it looks like a tough guy comp! good thread rob

 

ya my brother was telling me that lesner was the best heavyweight in mma and i was no best in ufc and he goes what do you mean and i said theres 2 ppl in strikeforce that i can see beating him.he goes what the **** is strikeforce.and he considers himself a big mma fanatsch

 

overeem is going to be the best and if you want to see skill type his name in youtube and also fedor but i think hes coming to an end!

 

First and foremost, Dana White has alienated Fedor by calling him a ***** and a fraud almost every other week like some kind of Vince McMahon characiture.

I think UFC offered to pay him the same as Strikeforce; $40,000 or summat like that.

Also, Fedor is fighting damn good competition that have either been in/considered better than the UFC oppo. Lesnar of course is the main star that he hasn't fought, and Couture in the last few years (although I personally think that might happen once Randy takes Toney down) but overall, Fedor has done very well for himself without shirking any major challenges (IMO)

There is still the Werdum rematch and Overeem for him to fight in Strikeforce; he could retire after those two without fighting Lesnar IMO. Like Pac though, his resume would look much better (see: aesthetically pleasing) with a Lesnar (or in Pacs case, Floyd on it)

Fedor is proven though. Whether he fights for the UFC Brand or not.

 

The skill level dropped a bit when they got tired but early on they were impressive for big men. Watch it in slow mo when Brock gets hurt. Carwin parrys, counters, punches in combo and throws more difficult punches like a left uppercut.

When it looks like they are posing, they aren't. They are such devastating fighters that any move and it's game over. As it goes, Carwin's punch brought about a dominant round and Lesnars takedown brought about a dominant/finishing round for him. The posing was to avoid these inevitable eventualities.

No one thought Carwin would gas like that. Its similar to Leonard vs Hearns. Leonard had to ride a wave that no one knew if it would ever end. Lesnar rode that wave.

Brock is a top wrestler and his striking is okay and in his last fight we saw a submission. He is improving. Yeah, size and athleticism is a big part of his game but isn't that the same for the Klits, Valuev etc Remember, he has been in MMA for 3 years and 6 fights.

Carwin was an interim champ because Brock got really ill and there was a real chance he may not fight again... but yeah multiple titles are always ****. No one bought the unification angle at all.

UFC is the battle ground for the best of the best. That is how they market themself. If you aren't in the UFC or in contract negotiations with them then you are irrelevent to them. They are thinking of their business in this respect.

MMA still needs to grow in the UK. They have an office here and another card will be here in a few months. The Sun used to cover UFC alot but now they have stopped. UFC are investing in their brand internationally but the only ones doing it so it will take time. The sport is about 20 years old.

UFC make the biggest fights in their stable and they don't pad records. Boxing doesn't hold a candle to UFC in this respect.

Carwins record is not padded. I can't think of a contender in boxing who has mirrored what he has. I can't think of a champion in boxing who has mirrored what Brock has.

Boxing can't compete with MMA in production, match ups, performances etc We enjoy it and may find it more exciting but boxing is really embarassing itself and has only improved because MMA was pissing all over it. The boxing fraternity should be openly ashamed of themselves instead we have morons like Arum and Warren thinking that MMA is a fad, rednecks and no more than WWE.

Fedor isn't with UFC because he can earn good money elsewhere being represented by his own promotion - M1, with whom he has a stake. They have been ruining his legacy though.

 

GBP are following the UFC business model and cherry picking the best from everywhere and making them fight. They are also involving themself in every big fight. Floyd is not a GBP fighter but they will involve themself in Pac vs Floyd. They are now involved with Haye and they poached Khan. GBP has help save boxing.

 

I enjoy MMA, caught Akayama - Leben and Lesnar - Carwin. The latter was nailbiting stuff and was good to see Brock's vulnerability. Akayama's fight was great, big fan of him despite the loss.

I went and saw a small MMA show here in Aberdeen on Saturday, I really enjoyed it and am definitely going again some time.

 

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I am a fan of both (more so boxing) but the 1 thing i like about MMA, is that they are not scared of losing their "0". Granted, they would rather keep it than lose it, but in boxing, if a fighter has 1 or 2 losses within 2 years, they are classed as shot/over the hill.
I guess it comes down to whether you think a massive 1 punch KO in ufc is worse than a sustained beating over 12 rounds in boxing.

 

Top post.

I personally felt that it would be a moral victory if Brock could get out of the first; and that he could win if he got out of it.

And he did:good