Geographically Inherent Stylists

Never knew that, nice one!

 

Historically, we've produced more tough pressure fighters/brawlers than slick boxers, guys like Wayne Mcculough, Barry Mcguigan, Duddy, Dave Boy Mccauley. I believe one of our best fighters, Mike Mctigue was something of a skilled boxer though, although his career didnt begin till he he moved to America as a teenager. John Caldwell, Eamonn Magee, Paul Mccloskey Brian Magee Freddie Gilroy and Bernard Dunne were all good technical boxers their day, Steve Collins could do a little bit of everything to, he liked a fight but could also box and move if he needed to.

As the lads above me have already alluded to, there's been a fair bit of foreign influence on our fighters for years, Nicholas Cruz, a renowned trainer from Cuba trained all of our top amateurs in the late 80's, early 90's. He would have had a lot of influence on Michael Carruth, Paul Griffin and Mcculough (though you wouldn't know it to see him fight). He also worked with the Cuban pro's who relocated here a few years ago.

The Panamanian Bernardo Checa is probably the best trainer in Northern Ireland at the moment. I think he used to be a sparring partner for Barry Mcguigan in the mid 80's and eventually to the north for some reason or another, and began training fighters. He was the head coach for Barney Eastwood's stable of fighters in the early 90's and he's worked with a load of current fighters from the north like Brian and Eamonn Magee, Martin Rogan, Mccloskey.

Today a lot of our amateur success can be put down to Zaur Antia the Georgian who trains all of Irelands top amateurs along with Billy Walsh. Since he came here about a decade ago, we've developed into one of the top nations for amateur boxing, and we've got quite a few stylists. John Joe Nevin, Michael Conlan, Joe Ward, Jason Quigley, Tommy Mccarthy and quite a few others are skilled boxers who I would expect to go pro at some point.

Sorry if its a bit of long winded post, gone off on a bit of a rant here

 

No; if i had to guess I would say Taekwondo practicioners would stand straight up. To crouch is to remove their greatest weapon, their legs, and even in boxing it would be counterintuitive to do that. I'd learn toward Tae fighters standing straighter than most.

 

No problem, glad you liked it.

Well i know next to nothing abou TKD but im not sure if we're talking about the same thing or if i was talking about the same as the poster i was responding to when he said crouch.

What i was refering to was their stance and the way they stand with their legs somewhat squating with their feet pointing out to the sides in different directions rather than being parallel. An exaggerated analogy is it looks like they are sitting on a horse but without the horse underneath them.. understand what i mean?

Not with their feet as wide apart but kind of like this.

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dont want to undermine you but i am a red/black belt in itf tkd. and the stance is actually called horse stance. and its a part of the patterns.

International Taekwondo Federation/ITF is similar to a kickboxing style, world taekwondo federation/WTF is the olympic style (no punches to the head, believe in khi).

in the u.k. itf is bigger. it's got a bigger following. i feel the willowbanc ingle group where highly influenced by that idea.

itf is ALL about distance and timing and combinations you have to be able to move so spreading your legs apart is just not acceptable.

i transferred into boxing..relatively well because you learn to use your jab, rely on your footwork, be confident in keeping your hands up and counter while creating angles...and get crushed everytime by a guy who throws a couple of hooks at you which led to my inner monologue of "whats going on...why are you doing this"



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^^^^not a great example but showing you how it's about switching stance and the hand positions. ducking down would leave a foot implanted in your face or an axe kick on you're neck.

 

Class post not too long winded at all. Interesting stuff in there.

 

Yeah, some of the foreign trainers on our shores are top class trainers, interesting stories to, but you wont hear them often mentioned or credited.

Interestingly enough, i think the man in your avatar also spent time under Zaur Antia's training in the high performance unit during his time as an amateur. Ive heard that Carl speaks highly of Antia as a trainer to. Maybe he's part of the reason why the jackal is such a top prospect right now:thumbsup

 

Love this thread, especially the first few pages. Good, insightful stuff.