George Chuvalo (1967) vs David Tua (1997) 12 rounds - who would win it?

good 2 know this
i guess d money 4 d frazier fight was good .

 

Well again, if he could make a young Foreman give ground when on the cusp of 33, I believe he could do it to Tua as well. Over a long distance, this can be physically grueling for anybody not accustomed to moving back and sideways. George was obsessed with developing his physical strength and building his body up as a young man. Tua did not look that strong against Savon, while there's no footage of a young Chuvalo looking like a weaker youth. The strength advantage would have been George's from any age due to his head start.

Chuvalo himself has protested that his defensive skill was underrated, that nobody could simply take punches like he supposedly did for as many rounds and years as that, and not sustain an official knockdown, let alone be walking and talking as he is today. (Ditto LaMotta.) He hung with some guys who were reasonably proficient at getting to their man.

 

i kno for the ali2 fight he got his biggest purse 65,000
for forman chuvalo recieved 50,000
not sure what he made for frazier,patterson,or quarry

 

george chuvalo when he was a contender had a 47"inch chest 49"expanded.he was built more like a strongman then a boxer for sure that very large ali's was like 42" and 44" expanded

 

good 2 know again but here he should b compared with David Tua whom was stronger and a much harder hitter .

 

i doubt tua was stronger then chuvalo,he use to lift weights he could bench press 425 i was told.hes an older man now 74 but he still looks pretty strong you wouldn't want to **** with now even.

 

it's not me vs George Chuvalo here , it's David Tua against him .
U have information on him but u don't have d parallel information on David Tua , u jost don't know how "big" , strong but most importantly hard hitting is David Tua compared 2 Chuvalo . Bonavena beat Chuvalo , and Tua was a much harder hitting than Bonavena and Frazier and much more durable than both of them . His punching power is deadlier than George Foreman's from close range and his durability exceeds every man mentioned in this discussion so far .

 

i'm just going to say i've been into boxing since 1958 if theres been i tougher man then chuvalo i've never seen him.and i've seen a few of tua's fights.chuvalo had over 90 fights i kno tua doesn't come near that

 

Chuvalo fought Foreman and got stopped by him , fought Bonavena and was KDd and beat by him .
Have u seen all of his fights against Bob Cleroux in their entirety ?

Tua fought : Lennox Lewis , Ike Ibeabuchi , Hasim Rahman , Oleg Maskaev , David Izon , n undefeated Darroll Wilson who came of a KO win over Shannon Briggs .
A much more intimidating list of punchers as a whole , and never got stopped as a pro .
His opposition was better overall . He stopped John Ruiz and Fres Oquendo whom were boxers 4 diversity's sake .
Tua's opposition was better .

 

That's really all I ever need to know about this match-up, this board and boxing in general.

 

It might have been more meaningful if he knew Tua's stats but he doesn't know and doesn't care . He doesn't even have d tale of d tape of both fighters and thinks 1's stats should convince any1 that d 1 he knows about is better/stronger . And ignores Chuvalo's visit of d floor against Bonavena and his stoppage loss 2 George Foreman .

 

It would be a good punch up for a while. Tua's greater weight,size and power will eventually take it's toll though.


Referee rescues a battered,still on his feet,Chuvalo around the tenth round.

 

Oh Seamus, you've known this for a long time now. But allow me to refresh your memory with this lora created Classic thread from last December (to which you yourself made three indispensable contributions on the very first page to help move it along):

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=368256

Maybe the true secret to the question of Chuvalo versus Tua is contained within the disturbingly vast speculation a bunch of us (you and I included, along with Flea, JT, Frank with that legendary post #3, Burt, McGrain, Garrus, El Bujia, Chris Pontius, sweet_scientist, Boxed Ears, SQ49, etc...) offered up. Yes, I participated extensively after your essential input about Coetzee, J. Holmes and the Manassa Mauler, but I'm suffering from early onset dementia. (Burt gets a free pass just for getting in the spirit of things and trying to blend in with the guys. Plus, like my father and John Garfield, he could also evoke the senility alibi, and deny any and all recall of participating in this comical atrocity.)

 

When you have very evenly matched boxers with some exceptional abilities, it's useful to break things down-

Power: Tua

Speed: about even.

Strength: about even. Tua may have been bigger but wasn't notably strong in the ring, whereas Chuvalo was a bit of a bull.

Size: about even.

Defensive skill: Tua

Offensive skill: controversially, I'm going to say Chuvalo. He was an exceptionally good body puncher.

Stamina: at their best, about even, though Chuvalo was the better athlete and Tua is a fat disgusting embarassing disgrace to the sport who should have been suspended for not giving of his best in training on numerous occasions (though his wasted career is about enough punishment).

Heart: Chuvalo by far. Tua has a quitter's heart: not in terms of actually outright saying he quits, but when things got rough in his most important fight he basically gave up. Chuvalo, on the other hand, was a warrior.

Styles match: Chuvalo. Tua could do very well if he maintains distance, but Tua needed his opponent to choose to fight at his distance- he never worked out how to control it himself. I see them getting close and fighting like bulls, which favours Chuvalo because Tua needed a specific amount of space to be the devastating puncher he could be.

Overall, I favour Chuvalo to do the better work in a phone-booth type fight and win a decision. Both are too tough for the other to stop.