George Chuvalo analyses his opponents - Ali, Foreman amongst others

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  1. jas

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    Boxing record: http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=boxer&human_id=119

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    in 1966. Although his quickness was outstanding he was able to absorb a great shot and he tricked you in the ring. You could hurt Ali and never know it. By his own admission I had him in trouble once or twice, but I didn’t take advantage. I only had 17 days notice for that fight, and if I’d had an extra month of preparation then that would have helped me a lot.
    When Ali and I met again, in 1972, he wasn’t the same fighter. There were a few sports writers who actually thought I won the rematch, but when I tell that story now people laugh. In the second fight his speed and skills had diminished slightly and he wasn’t as consistent with his work.



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    in the first fight. I tried to apply pressure and take him to the ropes, because he was so dangerous at long range. The trick for me was to keep it close and I punished him heavily to the body throughout that fight. In fact prior to the rematch, at the Georgia Hotel in Vancouver, he asked my trainer if we were planning on going to his body again, so it was on his mind. After our first fight Ali was taken to St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto with bleeding kidneys, whereas I went dancing with my wife.



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    , although the referee helped Mike out more than once. I knocked DeJohn out cold at the end of the second round and the referee carried him back to the corner where it was decided, after a debate, that I gave Mike a hip check. In reality I’d hit him with half a dozen unanswered punches, but they penalized me and scored the round for DeJohn. It was a joke. In the sixth I got him down again and the referee picked him up a second time. Given the officiating I was lucky to get a majority decision, when I’d knocked him out twice. Still, when he was on his feet, he was a sharp puncher with a good uppercut.



    George Foreman was very heavy handed and there was a different feel to his shots. The best analogy would be Joe Frazier and Jerry Quarry hitting you was equivalent to being struck by a car at 100 mph, but when George landed it was like being hit by a mac truck at 50 mph. There was more weight in his punches. Still I was upset that the referee stopped that fight (in Round 3) because I was fine, and Foreman was getting tired. He was exhausted and I honestly believe I would have knocked him out, had I been allowed to continue. Look what happened to him in Zaire four years later.
    I actually met Ali in Ontario, just prior to him travelling to Africa, and he asked me what I thought about him fighting George. I told him that George throws punches out the window and wastes his energy. Ali said he had something in store for him, but I didn’t know what that meant until I watched the fight and saw the rope a dope.



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    , believe it or not. He was very hard to hit and bobbing and weaving was natural to him. He’s recognized as a great fighter, but not many people compliment Joe on his defense. The uppercut was the only shot he was really susceptible to, as we seen against George Foreman. Joe was excellent at avoiding straight punches, which was the reason he gave Ali so much trouble in the first fight. He slipped the punches and closed the gap.



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    again. His jab was quicker than any punch I ever came across. Floyd Patterson is a close second, but Ali definitely edges him in terms of hand speed. Floyd and I fought THE RING magazine Fight of the Year in 1965, which was kind of cool at the time. It was close and it could have gone either way, but Patterson was a New Yorker and we were fighting at Madison Square Garden. I wasn’t surprised that he got the decision.



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    in London. He ran around like he was on a motor cycle that night. I was actually laughing because he was jumping around all over the place and it was funny to watch. The irony is he ran like hell against me, but traded punches with Jerry Quarry and Al “Blue” Lewis and got himself knocked out.
    They gave Corletti the decision, against me, despite the fact that I bust his cheek bone and shook him up pretty good. The other thing is in England they didn’t encourage in-fighting, almost to the point where they don’t allow it, and that prevented me from producing my best work. I wish I could get myself a copy of that fight, because I haven’t seen it since 1966.



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    . According to his trainer, Angelo Dundee, I had him out in Round 5 of the rematch, but he bluffed his way out of it and waved me in. I clipped him with a left hook to the point of the chin and, although it wasn’t hard, it was perfectly placed. He did exactly the same thing with Ernie Shavers a few years later. Still, over the twenty seven rounds we fought his chin was definitely the most reliable.



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    . He had the best jab, but this area shows the difference between fights one and two. In the rematch I was able to use my jab against him and I had real success with it. Dundee said he was surprised I stopped throwing it in the second half of the fight, because I was matching Ali at times. The jab is important and it sets up all your other shots, but I didn’t use mine as much as Muhammad used his. Watch the rematch again and you’ll see I was successful with mine early.



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    , but we didn’t find out if he could have maintained that strength. Honest to God I think I had him. George was winded at the end, breathing very heavily and my ability to take a good whack was never questioned, whereas Foreman’s stamina was. Later Ali exploited George’s weakness in a spectacular con job but, in terms of intelligence, ‘The Rumble in the Jungle’ was the best fight I ever saw.



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    was the smartest. Whenever he was hurt he faked his way out of it and that came with experience. Despite all of his attributes as a fighter he survived so many rough moments by being a great bluffer. He was tough to hit, and when you eventually did get to him he outsmarted you and that might have been your only chance. He had so many tricks up his sleeve.
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    Kenny Norton: “As I was leaving boxing Kenny Norton was coming in,” said Chuvalo, of the late former champion. “There was never any talk of that fight happening, but he was a tough guy with an awkward style and decent punching power.
    “Kenny liked to stay at range, with his left hand down, so it would have been important for me to make that an inside fight. His chin was never a greatest asset, so I think I would have been okay with Kenny, but you never know, anything can happen in a fight.



    Henry Cooper: “Henry Cooper would never take me on, when he was British and Empire Champion. In his biography he referred to me as a handful and the British Boxing Board of Control always protected him.
    “Also the Canadian Boxing Federation would never take a stand on my behalf, and that remains a sore point. They were intimidated by England, which was the mother country, the leader of the Empire.”



    Sonny Liston: Chuvalo continued, “I would have fought anybody. The only guy I really missed was Sonny Liston, because when I signed to fight him (in December 1970) he’d been dead for a week. He passed away after I’d sent a telegram to the promoter, agreeing terms to the fight at the Montreal Forum.
    “A day or so later a news report flashes up saying former heavyweight champion of the world Sonny Liston found dead at his Las Vegas home. I’d actually signed a contract to face a dead man.”
     
  2. mcvey

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    I haven't seen this for some years, nice to read it again ,thanks for posting it.:good
     
  3. latineg

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    Yes great post about old George.

    One of the toughest heavyweights ever no doubt.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    I think Chuvalo is a very good analysis on boxing, but Mike DeJohn as the best puncher?

    DeJohn's record has lots of decisions on it and a low KO %, even when he was in his prime.
     
  5. mcvey

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    DeJohn has a 52.54 ko % = 31 kos in 46 wins
    Sam Langford has a 40.38%
     
  6. klompton2

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    Chuvalo never gets tired of making excuses for himself and pretending he was better than he was.

    Given his propensity to lose against the best he fought Im not sure he could have beaten a dead Liston. Hed probably get stopped on cuts or swelling from running into Liston's rigormortis extended left.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

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    Dammit, Klompton. Can you name me one guy Liston stopped with his left after he passed? His right got London at the services, I think, but not the left. And London was not quite as durable as Chuvalo. Let's remember that.
     
  8. The Mongoose

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    He wasn't a great fighter but DeJohn could likely bang. He upest KOed the than described as "rugged and durable" undefeated top 10 ranked Miteff in one round with one punch. Miteff wouldn't be stopped again untli he faced Big Cat many years later and even than was stopped on his feet.
     
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    January 10, 1971 Sonny Liston TKO3 Henry Cooper (stopped on cuts) venue: Palm Mortuary, Liston's wake.

    Synopsis: Cooper passed by Liston's silver lined coffin three times. On the third go round he leaned over Liston's casket to pay his final respects and bumped into the left slicing a 3 inch gash over his right eye. The doctor allowed it to continue a little longer but Cooper was stopped shortly after with his face a mask of blood. Liston lay motionless a few feet away, eyes closed, with a looking of quiet, reflective satisfaction on his face.
     
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  10. Stevie G

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    I really enjoyed reading this. Chuvalo was tougher than TOUGH !
     
  11. guilalah

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    Thanks, jas!

    Wondering where this is cited from.
     
  12. Mendoza

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    Sam Langford fought many more times past his prime, and dozens of times vs what would be considered top ten level opponents.

    I would not put DeJohn on the 40 best all time punchers at heavy. I created a list in chronological order. Perhaps you could debate a few names, but Chuvalo is saying DeJohn was the best puncher in his time along with Foreman, is saying that DeJohn hit harder than Frazier. Not buying that.

    1. Sullivan
    2. Fitzsimmons
    3. Maher
    4. Slavin
    5. Jeffries
    6. McVey
    7. Langford
    8. Wills
    9. Dempsey
    10. Fripo
    11 J. Louis
    12. M. Baer
    13. B Baer
    14. Ray
    15 Marciano
    16. Patterson
    17. Johansson
    18. Liston
    19. Frazier
    20 Foreman
    21. Shavers
    22 Lyle
    23 Witherspoon
    24. Cooney
    25. Page
    26. Tyson
    27. Bruno
    28. Ruddock
    29 Bowe
    30. Morrison
    31 Morrer
    32. Briggs
    33. Ibebuchi
    34. Tua
    35 C. Sanders
    36. L. Lewis
    37 Maskeav
    38. V Klitschko
    39. W Klitschko
    40. Brewster
     
  13. janwalshs

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    Great read! I would have liked to hear about his impressions of Jerry Quarry and especially of his account of his KO over him.
     
  14. klompton2

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    You can bet it would have been something like "It just looked like I lost every round and my face was grotesquely swollen. In reality I had him right where I wanted him. This had been my plan all along. I sprung the trap just when I wanted to and even though he arose right at the count of 10 he was really totally unconcious and out on his feet. That win was easy. I was always better than Quarry."
     
  15. Surf-Bat

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    I don't think Chuvalo was making the distinction between "best" and "hardest-hitting". Frazier was obviously the better puncher. But DeJohn was definitely the harder-hitting of the two. He was a crippling puncher, though not always the best finisher.