George Foreman 1990 vs Razor Ruddock 1990

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I saw that. Even I was surprised, despite the source of the claim.

    Then I thought, this smacks of an agenda... ...a poorly executed one. I was less surprised then.
     
  2. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That makes way more sense.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    It could be that the judges at ringside favored Briggs' flashier punches and did not score based on Foreman marching forward and Briggs catching his breath, which are not primary scoring criteria. It may have been more evident that Briggs was winning at ringside than through the eyes of an emotional fan watching on TV.

    The same ones crying robbery are suspiciously quiet about what happened in the Schultz, Saverese, and Stewart fights in addition to the invisible Moorer rematch.
     
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  4. Pat M

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    From memory Briggs was slim (before he bulked up) for the Foreman fight, and was able to handle Foreman whenever he (Briggs) was active. Briggs' problem was his asthma and maybe a lack of confidence since being knocked out by Darroll Wilson. Briggs didn't have confidence that the asthma would allow him to stay busy, he took time off. The Wilson knockout is probably what "earned" him the fight with Foreman.

    I need to watch the fight again, but from memory, it seems that Briggs won whenever he was active and Foreman made it close by moving forward when Briggs took time off. For Foreman to have taken the fight, his team had probably evaluated Briggs and knew of the asthma and after the Wilson fight, they probably considered him easy to KO.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Except I admitted Foreman looked like crap in the Stewart fight and that I wouldn't be totally against someone scoring it a draw. He blew his gas tank trying way too hard to finish Stewart off after knocking him down and underestimated his ability to survive and use lateral movement.

    But by all means, keep doing what you do best and changing the subject over and over. Let's go for 29 pages because spending 19 pages going way off topic isn't enough.
     
  6. Man_Machine

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    It's not like the fight was close.

    No one, other than the judges (and two in particular), had the fight in favor of Briggs.

    Months later, you could still see comments in the papers about what a bad decision Foreman/Briggs had been.

    There's no sensible case to be made for a Briggs win.
     
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  7. NoNeck

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    That sounds pretty accurate. I watched it a couple years ago. I saw more of a sloppy fight than a robbery. I came out with Briggs by a point or two but the recording I watched was poor.
     
  8. Jamal Perkins

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    Whataboutery is for other threads.The Briggs fight scoring was a disgrace.if the best excuse is ringside views are different ......than after 90+years of rip off scoring due to poor ringside views ...suspiciously by the same 3 blind household name judges...why hasnt any1 had the idea to just have these judges watch the fight on tv in a room without the commentary
     
  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Were you rooting for Foreman?
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    100% of people on eye on the ring disagreed with Briggs winning. Many scored it for Foreman by 4 points or more. Lederman and the AP had it for Foreman by 4 points which seems the most common score. It was a disgrace.
     
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  11. Jamal Perkins

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    No I've hated him ever since he poleaxed Gerry Cooney.

    That Gerry was hungry,sharp, and fearless......not the bloated bum who lay down for Spinks.
     
  12. NoNeck

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    I think you'd have to be a Foreman fan to praise Cooney like that.
     
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  13. Jamal Perkins

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    So you're a Conspiracy theorist.
     
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  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So now instead of backing down, the narrative is that apparently every seemingly sensible person who witnessed an obvious robbery had to have been blinded by their irrational love of Foreman (including the government officials who were suspicious of a fix).

    That seems way more reasonable than NoNeck simply digging his heels in because he has an agenda. Because he watched the fight "once years ago with poor recording quality".
     
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  15. Bonecrusher

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    Ok this is as far as I’ve gotten so far on this thread. This is not accurate, NO those 3 men did not have Ruddock on the point of a knockout, are you able to spot the difference between being shook up and actually being on the brink of a KO?? :nusenuse: Weaver rocked him badly but Ruddock wasn’t close to being stopped, Smith knocked him sideways to which Ruddock got up laughing and turned the tables to hurt Smith in the same round and Dokes also wobbled him very briefly only to be rocked with Ruddock hooks to end the round seconds later. I don’t know why people feel the need to exaggerate to try and drive their point home. Foreman probably does beat Ruddock just say why, don’t rewrite what actually happened in the actual fights back then.