George Foreman 1990 vs Razor Ruddock 1990

I think Stewart was like 6'1 1/2, he seems shorter than the 6'3 Foreman in the fight

Some of the heights listed for 1990s heavies are pretty dubious

 

I don't care what your eyeball test guesstimate says. You aren't exactly unbiased as you seem to ONLY respond to these kinds of threads and always with contrarian views.

Inflating an athlete's height by 1 inch or 2 is one thing. But too inflate it a full 3 inches rarely happens nowadays especially with color cameras and live footage because even a casual observer will notice something's off. If Stewart was 6'2 and bumped up to 6'3 I would say that's certainly possible. Promoters attempting to bump him up from 6'1 to 6'4 would be literally impossible.

Foreman tended to make everyone look smaller than him for some reason. Him and Norton were allegedly the same height yet he looks much bulkier and more imposing for some reason in spite of Norton's impressive physique. Same thing happened with Lyle when they met ring center and Foreman looked maybe a strand of hair taller and wider. At 6'2 Moorer and Holyfield should have been able to look Foreman right in the eyes and be nearly even height yet they look much smaller.

Idk if it's Foreman's aura of intimidation or maybe something to do with his weird rehydration thing where he'd drain himself and then chow down--a habit he no doubt picked up from Archie Moore who did the same thing and was in his camp for years. Modern guys do the same thing in lower weight classes and look huge on fight night.

There are varying inconsistencies for Foreman's height. In the Scott Ledoux match the announcer said he was 6'4. On boxrec and Wikipedia they both listed him as 6'3 1/2 at various times while some sources stick to the commonly accepted 6'3. Who knows.

But what I do know is that there is no way a promoter could try to pass off a 6'1 guy as being 6'4. That's ridiculous.

 

But, he wasn’t. He was hurt and his legs went wobbly but he was in no way close to be stopped or as you say “knocked out on his feet”. Ruddock was prone to go jelly legged but putting him down for good was something only Lennox Lewis did. Weaver was no Lewis, not close, especially not the old Weaver that Ruddock fought. Like I don’t understand how you could watch that fight and think Ruddock was almost knocked out??? But whatever you know.

 

I don't see how u think Ruddock wasn't nearly KO'd. Weaver hit him w/ a helluva punch, but wasn't a good finisher. That was the problem. If Weaver was a good finisher, Ruddock would've been made into dog food.

 

This is a fair take. Ruddock was hurt, absolutely, but he wasn't nearly knocked out. He tangled Weaver up, gained some time, moved and then threw a couple of shots back himself to try and get a little respect from an aggressive Weaver. After that it was business as usual. It happened early round and Ruddock survived quite well really.

Weaver caught him with a really clean hook, a bomb actually and he shipped it pretty well in the end.

 

Simply not true. If a guy's legs have turned 2 rubber, and he's shifting back and forth uncontrollably, he's seasoned 4 a knockdown. Had he not been able 2 tie Weaver up, another shot or two and he would have gone down 4 sure.

 

He smiled when Tyson dropped him too. I've never seen a guy get hit so hard that they start laughing. Ruddock was like a comic book or anime villain. He was great for the sport in terms of being an entertaining slugger, but he was a nightmare for purists and coaches.

 

I think you are exaggerating a little Will.

Ruddock had the clarity to instantly tie up Weaver and tie him up well. Within 10 secodns of the punch he had the strength in his legs to forcibly push Weaver into the ropes. After they come off the ropes he moves away and when Weaver gets in close fires a couple of big shots of his own to keep him honest as well as making an effort to evade incoming fire. This is 25 seconds after he was supposedly almost knocked out on his feet. Remember too that he didn't go down so didn't get an extra 10 seconds to recuperate. After this he starts to jab and move and it's business as usual for them.

Your last sentence is irrelevant because he did tie Weaver up and he did so quite easily truth be told and he also did it immediately. As for another shot or two well the shots didn't land and to be honest Weaver can land a shot or two on almost anyone and knock them down. He has huge one punch knockouts to his name.

Ruddock came out of that quite well considering Weaver has iced people with very similar blows.

 

Idk what 2 tell ya, John. I thought Ruddock looked ready 4 a knockdown.

 

All good Will. You said he was nearly KO'd, almost knocked out on his feet etc. Based on what happened i don't think it was that bad. Sure he could have been dropped but he was clear headed and effective enough that it didn't come overly close to happening. The guy knew what he had to do instantly after being hit and he did it extremely effectively. If he was as bad as you project he would not have been able to respond so effectively IMO. He would have been ripe for the taking. He responded very impressively.

 

I do remember saying I thought he could have been KO'd. I have 2 say after re-watching that 4th round twice today that I don't think so anymore. I do think he was ready 2 go down, without a doubt. And I'm not saying Weaver couldn't have KO'd him. Maybe he could have. But I no longer think that at that one moment when Weaver hurt him that he almost KO'd Ruddock.
Once again JohnThomas, u bring me back 2 my senses.

 

You're a good man Will and one with an open mind. Keep up the good work mate.

 

Thnx. I won't deny it either, but it is a two-sided thing. You're good not 2 hold these things against me like some would do.

 

Mate you are young and polite and love boxing how could anyone hold anything against you. You take things on board and look at them with an open mind. I enjoyed the exchange of opinion.