George Foreman 1990 vs Razor Ruddock 1990

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  1. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I completely agree. I think the Tyson fights were like Ruddock's Frazier-Ali, at least in his mind. He was bound and determined to win...but just didn't have the chin and enough tools to do the job. Still he did pretty damn good...especially in light of the fact that he ended up getting run over Lewis and others later. I think you're right...Tyson was his FOTC.
     
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    yeah, but what a great win. Weaver was a very good fighter imo.
     
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  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm talking about h2h.

    And for the whole 90's decade how they performed in actual fights, not just their rankings for 1 year lol.
     
  4. William Walker

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    All good points, but I do have 2 say that I actually brought Douglas up, cuz I was saying that Tyson wasn't exactly his 100% against Ruddock, I'm sure. I agree w/ your entire consensus on Douglas. A fairly good resume 2 look at, just not to watch. Aside from the Tyson fight, the only time I was ever thoroughly impressed was when he beat Berbick, and not because Berbick was prime or anything, but Douglas was sharp. Berbick couldn't touch him literally. Over and over again Douglas would strike w/ good combinations. Berbick would attempt 2 counterpunch or hold, but Douglas was always out again before Berbick could do anything. It was amazing.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

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    Well if he didn't fall in love with his power, worked on his defense, and actually ****ing jabbed more often, who knows how the fights with Tyson could have been? He actually got the nick name "razor" because he was known for having a very great jab before he became a brainless slugger loading up for one big punch.

    It would be easy to blame his trainers and managers, but I think Ruddock was just a block head. He wouldn't have been an all time great, but he could have done WAY better given his size and talent.
     
  6. William Walker

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    Yeah, I think so. His wins over Tate, Williams, and Coetzee are breathtaking 2 say the least, and he drew w/ prime Dokes. Almost beat both Holmes and Thomas. Pretty great I think. Tbh, I think if Weaver had just snatched up 2 or 3 more wins along the lines of the Tate, Williams, and Coetzee, he might be considered an ATG, at least in the heavyweight division of the 80s.
     
  7. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    We're back to fighters and their personal FOTCs. If I remember correctly, Douglas' mother had recently died, so he made the Tyson fight a religious-type of HAVE TO WIN situation. Just my opinion. Tyson was there to knock the crap out of somebody...I think he was still smarting a bit from the somewhat below par Bruno defense (I could be wrong on any of these points, please feel free anyone to correct me).

    Douglas could have gone h2h with a LOT of great heavies of the past and future that night and done very well, probably winning against more than a few. I really believe that. He was like Joe at FOTC: he fought like his life depended on it.
     
  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Agree again. I mentioned once I think Ruddock fell in love with his press clippings and thought of himself as Joe Frazier or something. Right.
     
  9. William Walker

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    The only difference is, sorry Rules, Buster fought like a great fighter that night, unlike other nights. Joe always fought great, and was not as much of an improvement on FOTC night than Douglas was on Tokyo night.
     
  10. WAR01

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    Razor gets KO’d at some point and utterly outboxed.
     
  11. WAR01

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    But if you ask most people he was utterly shot after FOTC till after the fight with George were it validates Ali’s win and Joe’s ability.
     
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  12. NoNeck

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    The matchup takes place in 1990 lol and Ruddock's best wins were in the 80s lol.
     
  13. NoNeck

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    Do you understand what revisionist means?
     
  14. William Walker

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    kind of like a new, unorthodox belief
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

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    And again I ask what do their rankings have to do with their h2h fighting abilities and how they match up style wise? This was an irrelevant point to bring up and it exposed that you either lacked the reading comprehension to get what I was saying or you didn't bother reading everything. I'm done explaining basic elementary **** to people.

    When I was talking about "revisionism" it had nothing whatsoever to do with Ruddock's rank that specific year but the perception people have of him now in regards to his potential in h2h threads. Now that I have clarified myself if you keep going on a tangent about things I never said you will be dismissed.