George Foreman(1991) vs. Razor Ruddock(1991)

lmao prime foreman would beat absolutely all them and later he would **** in their face

 

Bulls-eye m8 deal

 

turn the caps lock off
and yeah a lot of liston's opponents would beat old foreman, just based on inconsistency.

 

yeah, in your opinion. There is simply no way he would knockout everybody. he would do well yes but not KO everybody. you're just being completley bias here. I don't think he would ko Liston either

 

unfortunately you're the one talking bull****
sure foreman was older then cooney, cooney wa still in bad shape and had little to no muscle defination. and he was in to drugs at that point as well
Yeah foreman knocked him down twice. great. but he still got swelled up badly and had lots of issues with Alex.
Holyfield was small compared to George. and probably roides up as well.
I never said those fighters were small. I said holy was. and he was compared to geroge. Holy was much smaller, muscle wise and in other measurements besides height.
I don't have any arguement? yeah, right. I'm done here

 

George foreman avoided ruddock like the plague/............ruddock 12 rd decision.

 

yes what this guy said:smoke

 

COME ON MAN...................... RUDDOCK WAS THE MAN IN 1991..........................FOREMAN/BOWE/WITHERSPOON/C WILLIMAS/HOLY ALL AVOIDED DONOVAN RAZOR RUDDOCK AFTER THAT DOKES KO:smoke

BOWE WAS SUPPOSED TO FIGHT RUDDOCK AND PULLED OUT AND FOUGHT PHIL BROWN INSTEAD.....ITS A FACT:good

 

MY OPINION IS STILL THE SAME.
OLD FOREMAN90-91 WOULD KO EVERY RIVAL OF LISTON , EASY AND EARLY(funny because you know it). I DON´T CARE on IF RUDDOCK MIGHT BEAT OLD FOREMAN, BECAUSE PRIME FOREMAN WOULD **** IN THE FACE OF RUDDOCK, LEWIS, HOLYFIELD,MORRISON,BOWE ,TYSON AND ANY BOXER IN THE 90s and 00s.
:deal

 

OK i was j/k about teh 2 rounds - Old Foreman KO 9 is more Realistic.

i never knew All those ppl ducked Ruddock. :thumbsup

 

Sextastical Post M8. thumbsup

 

Foreman of 1991 would KO Ruddock late in the fight..... Ruddock would start fast but burn out late... Foreman is the better ring general and pacer, so he eventually lowers the boom on a fatigued and mentally shot Ruddock..... Foreman wins by TKO....

MR.BILL

 

in this one I would hate to see Ruddock's left hook land on George. This is a bad fight for George.

 

Its all about politics, always has been; Foreman faced Holyfield, Moorer and Morrison because they had a belt around their waist or there was a title at stake at the time he fought them. Foreman would never have faced Lewis, Ruddock or Mercer at any point during his comeback unless they had a belt.

This obsession with Tyson that you have and "Tyson being scared of Foreman" needs to be addressed.

George wanted to fight Mike Tyson because:

1. Mike Tyson is a Cash Cow- meaning there was a huge payday for him.
2. Mike Tyson was the Undisputed Champion.

Scheduling conflicts precluded Tyson from fighting Foreman pre-prison. Losing to Douglas meant that a fight with Foreman was simply going to be on the back burner. The thing is King lost control of the titles when Douglas signed with Steve Wynn. Then Douglas loses to Holyfield and of course the titles are now even further away from King. King wanted control of the titles so he tried to threaten Evander and his promoter Dan Duva into fighting Tyson 6 months after winning the belt from Douglas or risk having his titles stripped. Foreman at that point redirected his attention to Evander and not Mike Tyson.

King was unsuccessful in forcing a fight with between Evander and Tyson. He during that time period had a falling out with HBO where supposedly Evander was given preferential treatment to Mike Tyson. Or perhaps where HBO wouldn't bend to every demand that Don King made. Threats were made, HBO called King's bluff and off to Showtime he went with Tyson.

So he went over and took Ruddock as an opponent because of Razor's ranking, power and relevance to the division and willingness to play ball (thats important). It was a fight that was supposed to happen in 1989 but was delayed as Tyson and his crew pretty much dicked around. It was a PPV success in which King put up his own money at risk and was able to rake in a pretty nice profit. Tyson-Ruddock I reached parity with Holyfield-Foreman despite being a non title fight and despite being under-promoted in comparison.

With Dan Duva controlling the belt, King had little leverage in terms of getting options on Holyfield. Remember After Tyson vs. Ruddock II King exclaimed in the post fight interview "We don't want Holyfield...." Not because they didn't want the title rather it was King being defiant showing that he can make money without holding the belts. Remember Tyson Ruddock and Holyfield Foreman were held pretty close together. King finally was able to work out his situation with Dan Duva and HBO to secure a fight with Evander Holyfield in November 1992.

Now tell me, when was Tyson supposed to fight Foreman pre-prison? There was simply no time. PPV fights typically take 5 months to promote. There was absolutely no way King would waste 5 months promoting a non-title fight between Tyson and Foreman without options on Foreman. Not gonna happen.

Had Tyson fought and beat Evander Holyfield he would have likely fought George Foreman.

Here are some references:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Du...esnum=6&ved=0CCIQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q&f=false

^ go to page 45


And after prison the fight was also on the table.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fTk...page&q&f=false

Notice how George conveys his reluctance to dealing with King?
I can't find the article but I remember Foreman pricing himself out of the fight, meanwhile during 1995 they were were talks of a fight with Lennox Lewis, and of course a title shot.

And just incase you turn around and say that Tyson Ducked Lewis:

"I've heard a lot of people claim Lewis was ducked by Tyson in 1996.
Citing the $4 million step-aside fee Lewis was paid to allow Tyson to go ahead with a planned match with Seldon instead of defending his WBC title against Lewis.

What is less discussed is that Lewis turned down $13.5 million guarantee offer to fight Tyson before accepting the $4 million.
And this was before Lewis faced Ray Mercer. The Mercer fight did not improve Lewis's value or perceived chances against Tyson at that time one iota. If anything his stock fell with that fight.

Lewis and his true-believers shout a lot about how he was ducked by everyone for years, but how true is it ?
Why was Lewis turning down massive purse offers if he was so desperate to prove himself the best ?

I'm not blaming Lewis. Or Tyson. I know they had managers, promoters and the rival TV companies dictating a lot to them.

But there's definitely some revisionist history going on that makes Lewis the white knight of the heavyweights, an outsider, who everyone refused to fight for years. When really he was as much a pampered superstar fighter as the others - massively built up by HBO and favoured by the WBC, for examples - and part of the problem of avoiding and seeking out easy paydays and pricing himself out with demands for bigger purses.

Unforgiven


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C06E7DD1039F937A35754C0A960958260

Just incase you thought it was bull****...

Boxing is full of politics and negotiating, networks, managers, promoters, etc.

So when you say Fighter A is ducking fighting B there is probably more to it than that.